vote the price

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jmcminn1076
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Re: vote the price
In reply to KAF18500, May 25, 2011

KAF18500 wrote:

Realistically, vote a price here, loud and clear. Enough curses and rants, lets get down to business.

1. Is 9.700 acceptable if it comes bundled with 3 lens made specifically with SD-1 in mind?
2. USD 4.800 - body alone
3. Must be USD 2.700 - body alone.

Please keep in mind (3) would not be financially practical for Sigma, but it is your vote.

I suppose I should chime in with one more clarification -- are the above Sigma prices or street prices? A $4800 "Sigma MSRP" typically translates to a $3300 real price when it hits store shelves. I imagine you'll have people walk away from that. I imagine people would grumble at that price. I also expect that many Foveon enthusiasts would eventually talk themselves into it there.

Further clarification, in my previous posts, I mentioned a $2000-$3000 sweet spot that I think the product would sell -- I was talking real prices, not "Sigma MSRP". A "Sigma MSRP" of $4000 that turned into a shelf price of $2800 at B&H would probably fly for many of us.

Philosophically, most of us here are interested in the Sigma SD1 because we do believe that the Foveon sensor is worth a premium. The two issues here are how much of a premium, and how much of this premium is eaten away by the camera around the sensor. At real prices of $2500+ you start comparing to the D700 and 5dII. At $5000+ you're in D3s territory. At it's current price point, it's in D3x, and 1DsIII territory. The problem you have going here, is that while the SD1's Foveon sensor is pure awesome -- and the rest of the camera is rather "meh" compared to any of these peers. Even a D300s at $1550 has over the SD1:

  • dual card slots

  • movie mode

  • live view

  • 51 point AF system (compared to 11 point)

  • 100% view finder (compared to 98%)

  • fully weather sealed body

  • 920k LCD (compared to 420k)

  • 1/250th flash sync (compared to 1/180)

And I havn't even brought up the D7000, which is even cheaper, and has many features out ahead of what the SD1 has... heck, my aging D90 ($889) has live view, 11 point AF, movie mode, a slightly better flash sync, and the high resolution LCD. I'll be the first to concede, that in good light, the Foveon in the SD1 will blow the socks off the D300s -- and I'd even be willing to pay a premium over the otherwise better D300s for the SD1 because of the better sensor... but there are limits to it, and that's just the reality of the DSLR market.

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In reply to KAF18500, May 25, 2011

I'll take option #1 - 9.700 w/ 3 lenses...

...if bundled with the 300-800/5.6 APO, 800/5.6 APO and the 200-500/2.8 APO.

Does that come with free shipping??

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In reply to AngryCorgi, May 25, 2011

I´ll take the $1700 kit promised by sigma to begin with !! None of your three options will interest 99% of the buyers - sigma needs to see a psych ! Why would I buy a sigma camera when I can buy the 5dmkll for 1/3 the price ? You´re looking for a pie in the sky !

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In reply to J Shaddix, May 25, 2011

J Shaddix wrote:

Seems to me the OP has connections (or at least is implying such), which is great. Sometimes I feel that Sigma pays no attention to their user-base.

Seems like indeed... but I would see someone coming clear about this. Maybe it is just someone wanting to feel important. Maybe I am too paranoid by nature

As for my vote...it's tough to say. We need X3F files and SPP5 before we can judge the camera enough to place the price point. Honestly the JPG samples are not as impressive as I thought they'd be, not due to the photographers, but due to IQ issues that hopefully stem from imperfect firmware and lossy JPG compression.

I think the first option (only) would be a hard sell due to so much of the Sigma community already owning a good deal of the better lenses. That said, it would be perfect for an outside pro wanting to give Sigma a shot. Thus, I'd recommend both a kit at a discount and a competitive body-only price. You have to keep in mind that the majority of the current Sigma market are enthusiasts, and don't have the wherewithal or the desire to buy into a $9700 camera.
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In reply to KAF18500, May 25, 2011

1 2 and 2 are a no from scratch, i guess.

But how much would it cost for yout not to lose? I mean, you could use the PS3/Xbox 360 strategy, the more systems you sell the more games/lenses you sell, because in case you don't remember, we are sticked to your lens, anyway.

Just to have a look at this:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6140383/microsoft-taking-126-hit-per-xbox-360

$126 dollars lost for each $399 console sold. And we are talking about the second most sold console right now in the world.

Also:
http://gizmodo.com/5464610/sony-still-loses-money-on-every-ps3-they-sell

Like $6 for every $100, and that's 2010 news, after cuts and cuts of production costs. But it worked for them also.

I know Sigma is not Sony or Microsoft, and you are not selling consoles, but the lens sales might be a bed before you take a couple of hits of SD1's sales.

Anyway, i chose something between 2 and 3. Take a loss but not a big loss.

KAF18500 wrote:

Realistically, vote a price here, loud and clear. Enough curses and rants, lets get down to business.

1. Is 9.700 acceptable if it comes bundled with 3 lens made specifically with SD-1 in mind?
2. USD 4.800 - body alone
3. Must be USD 2.700 - body alone.

Please keep in mind (3) would not be financially practical for Sigma, but it is your vote.

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In reply to AngryCorgi, May 25, 2011

hahahahahahah!

AngryCorgi wrote:

I'll take option #1 - 9.700 w/ 3 lenses...

...if bundled with the 300-800/5.6 APO, 800/5.6 APO and the 200-500/2.8 APO.

Does that come with free shipping??

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KAF18500 wrote:

Realistically, vote a price here, loud and clear. Enough curses and rants, lets get down to business.

1. Is 9.700 acceptable if it comes bundled with 3 lens made specifically with SD-1 in mind?
2. USD 4.800 - body alone
3. Must be USD 2.700 - body alone.

Please keep in mind (3) would not be financially practical for Sigma, but it is your vote.

My vote's for #3.

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In reply to KAF18500, May 25, 2011

KAF18500 wrote:

Realistically, vote a price here, loud and clear. Enough curses and rants, lets get down to business.

1. Is 9.700 acceptable if it comes bundled with 3 lens made specifically with SD-1 in mind?

Acceptable if free worldwide replacement-service in 24 hours is included.
If I can test the camera and lenses for a weekend or so at a local dealer.

2. USD 4.800 - body alone

Acceptable if free worldwide replacement-service in 24 hours is included.
If I can test the camera and lenses for a weekend or so at a local dealer.

3. Must be USD 2.700 - body alone.

Could be 2500 € which is about 3500 $ tax included if you provide professional service and product-quality which actually is not the case.

Otherwise you have to be much less in price than your competitors which are not Leica S2 and no MF-manufacturer, but Canon 5D and Nikon 700.

Or you sell it with a 20% discount for three weathersealed lenses, which can be cashed within 2 years.

Please keep in mind (3) would not be financially practical for Sigma, but it is your vote.

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Re: vote the price
In reply to KAF18500, May 27, 2011

Did they decide to discount? When can I hear the result?

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