Lens Advice Antelope Canyon

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I'm planning a trip to the Grand Canyon and want to get some shots of the slot canyons. I have a 40D and I'm wondering which would be the best lens to shoot in the canyons. I've heard that is can get dusty in there so I don't want to be changing lenses. I have a sharp 24-105 and my 10-22 is also a pretty good lens. My 50 1.8 is the fastest but I am not sure if it would be a good choice.

Anybody here care to wade in with what they use or used in the past?

thanks
 
Antelope is, at best, a challenge! I used my 17-85, could at times have used the 10-22. I expect you'll find the 24 not wide enough, but can use the longer lens for isolation. Lighting is tough. Consider trying some exposures for HDR. Dust is there--but gets bad when the guides throw sand in the air to make "atmospheric" shots. If you want to get some personalized help, contact Carol Bigthumb, whose mother found the canyon: [email protected]. Also, http://www.navajotours.com . If you can, try both upper and lower canyons. Good luck, it is a beautiful spot.
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DeepJay
 
Best advice: don't change lenses once you're inside Antelope. The guides throw a lot of dust in the air to get the beams of light to show up.

I'd suggest going wide angle as well.

It's fun, but crowded. you may want to find some of the canyons along escalante (in Utah) instead; they're a little harder to reach though.

Best
Dan
 
Bring a tripod. It is not easy to shoot there - you have to stay behind the crowd, or to be the first. I believe that they have photo tours only, but you pay more.
 
Friend of mine has some great shots from the slot canyons. Based on his stories I have two suggestions:

Wide angle lens
good tripod

enjoy!

Could you rent/borrow a second body so you wouldn't have to swap lenses?
 
Great advice, I knew there would be somebody around with it. I didn't mention that I was planning on bringing my tripod as well. I'm going to take one of those 2 hour tours. Renting a second body it not really an option but it would be a good idea. I have a bunch of those toss-away optec rainsleeves, I've used them before while shooting dirt track races, so I'll try that as well.
 
Either lens will work fine. You may find that you use the wider angle lens in the main chamber, but I think you'll put the longer lens on when you are in the narrower parts of the canyon to isolate the formations from the rim. Getting the rim in most photos will only ruin them. I would leave the 50mm at home. I find that on my crop camera, I am using a 20-40mm length lens. Using a tripod is the only way to get a decent photo at Antelope. I have tried HDR photos and enjoy the results I get from this technique, but it isn't necessary.

My method for shooting at Antelope is to find an interesting formation that is getting reflected light in the heart of the beast. By that I mean try to stay away from the top of the canyon. This is where a medium telephoto comes in handy. The light picks up color from the walls of the canyon each time it bounces off of the wall. You will find the gold colors higher up, reds in the middle where the reflected light strikes the walls and it turns a bluish black at the bottom. Look for spots that have all three colors. I find that having a dark shadow only enhances the colors of the canyon so I try to have some in the photos. Pay attention to the texture of the rock. It really adds interest to your photos.

I like to meter for the mid-tone reds. This lets the yellows and darker colors come out. A habit I got into during my film days is to take long exposures, sometimes up to 30 seconds. For some reason, this lets the colors really develop on film, even taking into account reciprocity. I still do it with digital and find the results are more than satisfactory. I've taken shorter exposures but I still find exposures of 5 seconds or so more pleasing to me. One advantage to a long exposure is that anyone walking in front of the camera disappears, and there is almost always someone walking in front of you, especially if a group of Japanese tourists visit at the same time. They are most pleasant as they walk in front of your shot, but they won't stop. Europeans tend to walk in front also, but they don't apologize. If someone stops and asks if you are through so they can go by, you can bet they are from the states.

As for the beam of light, don't worry about it for another three months. It is only found in the upper canyon from about the middle of March until mid-September. If there isn't a beam, the guides won't be throwing any dust. The dust lets you see the sun beam. If it is windy outside, sand will be blowing in, however. I usually take something like a boonie hat and place it over the camera whenever I'm not shooting to keep most of the dust and sand out.

One thing to keep in mind is that the canyon is small, less than a 1/4 mile in length. The lower canyon is twice that. If there is a chance for rain, don't even think of going. Change plans to something safer.

Laurent Martres writes an excellent series of books for photographers covering this area. His older book "Land of the Canyons" would help you here as well as the Grand Canyon if you can find it. Highly recommended.

Have fun and take lots of pictures.
 
Did it last winter with a 1dsMkII & a 7D. Also had Sigma 12-24mm & the Tamron 28-300mm VC. Most of the time I had the 1dsMkII on Tripod with the Sigma 12-24mm & hand held the 7D 28-300VC. Frankly I was happier with the random handheld shots with 7D :) This was my first time & frankly the next time I would like to do it on a light overcast day instead of full sun. Try to concentrate on indirect light & not try to get the sky in unless there are nice clouds .... just my opinion. Also I will use the tipod, but only for about 6 shots.

7D, 28mm, f7.1, ISO 800, 1/40s handheld. Had to ad the sky because of blowout & wasn't bracket with the 7D. Like I said, I would try to exclude sky because of the stark contrast. Hope this helps :)



Cheers & Good Luck :)
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I'm pretty sure you can pay extra and go on a tour just for photographers.

Alan
 
It's really a shame that Antelope Canyon has become so over managed and controlled by the tribe. When I last visited the Upper Canyon a few years ago, they had an entrance station at the main highway where you paid a small entrance fee. You then drove yourself back to the canyon, parked and spent as much time there as you wished. In my opinion, a much more enjoyable and rewarding experience.

There are a lot of slots in that general area; and one used to be able to explore them on your own. Now, each one seems to have a for pay access.
 
is to definitely book a photo only tour. The guide will let you setup and then will stop people traffic as much as possible so you can get the shot. I'd use the 10-22. Tripod is a must, I was shooting 20 to 30 second exposures. Dust was not a major issue for me as I did not change lenses. Simply dust everything off when you leave. One suggestion is that you not bring your camera bag into the canyon, just the camera and cable release.
 
A friend of mine rented 2 Canyons for a day at $400. One of them was Canyon X & can't remember the other one. He did nudes. The tribe would not allow nudity in upper & lower antelope :( Photo tour durring the busy days at lower antelope would be a wise choice .... allows you to have your own crossing guard :)

7D, 28mm, f7.1, 1/20s & ISO 800 hand held :) I think the 24-105L would be a perfect lens.



Cheers :)
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This is great advice, thanks so much for taking the time to offer these valuable tips. I hadn't thought about metering for the reds but it makes so much sense the way you explain it. I'm definitely going to take some long exposures as you suggest.

I'm flying from Regina to LV Mar 28 and taking a one week drive in a loop, to GC Nat'l Park, Page, Zion and back to LV on the following monday
Either lens will work fine. You may find that you use the wider angle lens in the main chamber, but I think you'll put the longer lens on when you are in the narrower parts of the canyon to isolate the formations from the rim. Getting the rim in most photos will only ruin them. I would leave the 50mm at home. I find that on my crop camera, I am using a 20-40mm length lens. Using a tripod is the only way to get a decent photo at Antelope. I have tried HDR photos and enjoy the results I get from this technique, but it isn't necessary.

My method for shooting at Antelope is to find an interesting formation that is getting reflected light in the heart of the beast. By that I mean try to stay away from the top of the canyon. This is where a medium telephoto comes in handy. The light picks up color from the walls of the canyon each time it bounces off of the wall. You will find the gold colors higher up, reds in the middle where the reflected light strikes the walls and it turns a bluish black at the bottom. Look for spots that have all three colors. I find that having a dark shadow only enhances the colors of the canyon so I try to have some in the photos. Pay attention to the texture of the rock. It really adds interest to your photos.

I like to meter for the mid-tone reds. This lets the yellows and darker colors come out. A habit I got into during my film days is to take long exposures, sometimes up to 30 seconds. For some reason, this lets the colors really develop on film, even taking into account reciprocity. I still do it with digital and find the results are more than satisfactory. I've taken shorter exposures but I still find exposures of 5 seconds or so more pleasing to me. One advantage to a long exposure is that anyone walking in front of the camera disappears, and there is almost always someone walking in front of you, especially if a group of Japanese tourists visit at the same time. They are most pleasant as they walk in front of your shot, but they won't stop. Europeans tend to walk in front also, but they don't apologize. If someone stops and asks if you are through so they can go by, you can bet they are from the states.

As for the beam of light, don't worry about it for another three months. It is only found in the upper canyon from about the middle of March until mid-September. If there isn't a beam, the guides won't be throwing any dust. The dust lets you see the sun beam. If it is windy outside, sand will be blowing in, however. I usually take something like a boonie hat and place it over the camera whenever I'm not shooting to keep most of the dust and sand out.

One thing to keep in mind is that the canyon is small, less than a 1/4 mile in length. The lower canyon is twice that. If there is a chance for rain, don't even think of going. Change plans to something safer.

Laurent Martres writes an excellent series of books for photographers covering this area. His older book "Land of the Canyons" would help you here as well as the Grand Canyon if you can find it. Highly recommended.

Have fun and take lots of pictures.
 
First, this thread (& others that are linked to from here) are a wealth of information! I'll be going to Antelope Canyon in August & this is very helpful info - thanks to all for your contributions!!

That said, I have a silly question - and sort of off topic - but you stated: "...One advantage to a long exposure is that anyone walking in front of the camera disappears..."

I'm aware of this & have read it elsewhere, but I'm not sure I understand why this is true. I don't doubt it, but it seems illogical - wouldn't the sensor record whatever passes in front of the lens? Again, just curious as to what exactly is going on here optically - I'm sure someone here can explain...

And again, sorry for the silly question...

Thanks,

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Barry
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That said, I have a silly question - and sort of off topic - but you stated: "...One advantage to a long exposure is that anyone walking in front of the camera disappears..."
If they keep on walking .... problem there is they can't move forward because of people in front of them :(
I'm aware of this & have read it elsewhere, but I'm not sure I understand why this is true. I don't doubt it, but it seems illogical - wouldn't the sensor record whatever passes in front of the lens? Again, just curious as to what exactly is going on here optically - I'm sure someone here can explain...
I think has to do with explosure & the percentage of time exposed. Somebody else would be better at this.

Cheers & Good Luck :)
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That said, I have a silly question - and sort of off topic - but you stated: "...One advantage to a long exposure is that anyone walking in front of the camera disappears..."
If they keep on walking .... problem there is they can't move forward because of people in front of them :(
Good point! And how fast to they have to move to not "be seen" by the camera?
I'm aware of this & have read it elsewhere, but I'm not sure I understand why this is true. I don't doubt it, but it seems illogical - wouldn't the sensor record whatever passes in front of the lens? Again, just curious as to what exactly is going on here optically - I'm sure someone here can explain...
I think has to do with explosure & the percentage of time exposed. Somebody else would be better at this.

Cheers & Good Luck :)
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Taken any photographs lately?

Thanks for the reply - hopefully others will chime in...

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Barry
http://barryk.smugmug.com/
 
Actually long exposure is not a good answer in my opinion. My good pictures were taken by hand. I saw a couple of guys in the canyon with hasselblads exposing with ISO 50 on film ..... couldn't even imagine that :} Even some of my 7 bracket exposures weren't enough to expose sky & shaows you could clearly see by eye. I would just say don't go extreme. Try to be a little conservative & relax .... you will have a much better time. Even if you have to do it in 2 days that would be better than trying to get the dark & the sky together.

Next time I go, I also want to make a week of it & charter a tour on boat through parts of Lake Powell & do other canyons :)

BTW .... after I got out of Lower Antelope canyon, my 1dsMkII died .... I had to send that camera in 5 times for shutter/mirror failure in the span of 1 year & sold it with a total shutter click of 87,000 :(
Cheers & have a great time :)
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