X100 sensor not Fuji's?

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de_klaas
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X100 sensor not Fuji's?
Dec 20, 2010

There's an interesting interview at: http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/fujifilm-finepix-x100-entrevista-hiroshi-kawahara,1_en_7074

" It has been said that the sensor used is similar to that seen in some Nikon SLR cameras, and therefore manufactured by Sony. Can this information be confirmed?

The sensor of the FinePixX100 is customized to match its lens. We should point out that the most important thing is not who produces the technology but the technology in itself, and in this sense Fujifilm optimizes its technologies depending on the photographic result being pursued at any given time."

Sounds like an existing sensor (D90 Sony sensor?) that's been tweaked bij Fujifilm.
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In reply to de_klaas, Dec 20, 2010

Does it matter?

Personally, I only care how a camera takes the photos I want.
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Glen Barrington wrote:

Does it matter?

Personally, I only care how a camera takes the photos I want.
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Glen Barrington wrote:

Does it matter?

Personally, I only care how a camera takes the photos I want.
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Do you understand why people ask this question? Fujifilm has always been defined by their sensors, NOT their cameras. In this forum, the cameras have all been Nikon bodies anyway. In the compact world, Fuji's cameras have been "iffy" at best. Very often seriously questionable designs have been implemented. In short, no one buys a Fuji camera because of the camera. They buy them because of the sensor. Fujifilm's sensors were responsible for the outstanding image quality and dynamic range. Until recently, Fujifilm's sensors have always been CCD's. With the X100, they will switch to using CMOS, another huge change.

The biggest unknown with the X100 is the CMOS sensor. Will it produce the typical Fujifilm type image that folks here cherish so much? Or will it produce images that look like a Sony? If like a Sony, many here, myself included, will be profoundly unhappy.

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Well, that explains why. . .
In reply to rattymouse, Dec 21, 2010

The Fuji X100 web site spends so much energy explaining why this camera won't be a POS! It has struck me odd why they were going for the "Leica" style sales pitch for a camera that clearly would be aimed at the enthusiast consumer, and not the luxury market.
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Yes, Leica luxe pitch at enthusiast prices. This could be described as aspirational marketing.

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The Fuji X100 web site spends so much energy explaining why this camera won't be a POS! It has struck me odd why they were going for the "Leica" style sales pitch for a camera that clearly would be aimed at the enthusiast consumer, and not the luxury market.
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In reply to rattymouse, Dec 22, 2010

I agree with Rattymouse - the sensor, or at least its output is extremely important.

If it cannot produce the richness of color of prior Fuji cameras then I'm not sure I'd want one.

That said, I'm not sure I wouldn't, but the fact that it's "Fuji" would no longer be useful. It might have its own charms, but without the sensor or at least the ability to match prior Fuji output, then I would be starting on the ground floor again.

In short, a large part of why a lot of us are positive on the idea of this camera isn't only because it is a potentially great camera based on design, but because it's a Fuji camera (with requisite IQ implied). If the substitution of sensor doesn't really yield a "Fuji" camera with its characteristic image output, then it may as well be Joe-random vendor. In fact, since Fuji isn't renowned for hardware or interface, as Rattymouse implies, then there's even a bit of negative to be seen in this combination (a Sony with a Fuji sensor would be a lot better in many ways than a Fuji with a Sony sensor).

Anyway, let's see what it is. Fuji could tweak the output and pull this off and certainly the design is intriguing.

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In reply to boinkphoto, Dec 22, 2010

The fact that it is a 12 mp aps-c sensor is good news to me. This means a larger pixel size compared to EVIL cameras. It is customized to reduce edge shading and is processed by a new EXR processor. I'm sure they will allow to adjust or turn off noise reduction, which is the main criticism of sony's Bionz processor.

My main concern is low light AF. Hopefully with prefocus and a "high speed cmos readout," it can be competitive with the best non-phase detect cameras.

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I personally prefer a Fuji chip ,as well.I guess Fuji may not have a ready APSC chip to use in X100. This may be exact reason to make them use another chip rather then Fuji.On the other hand if the sensor of X100 is the one in Nikon D300s ,then with the customization they applied ,it may not be that bad.(I wish)

Aside X100 ,my estimation is that Fuji may be working to manufacture new big chips for their fuure plans.Because in the below review Fuji operational manager clearly states that X100 is only a begining .If this is right then I think Fuji will not continiue this way with supplying their sensors externaly.Or this is something I want to believe

http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/fujifilm-finepix-x100-entrevista-hiroshi-kawahara,1_en_7074

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rattymouse wrote:

Fujifilm has always been defined by their sensors, NOT their cameras. In this forum, the cameras have all been Nikon bodies anyway.

We shall see with their F2 lens how it compares to other lenses...

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boinkphoto wrote:

In fact, since Fuji isn't renowned for hardware or interface, as Rattymouse implies, then there's even a bit of negative to be seen in this combination (a Sony with a Fuji sensor would be a lot better in many ways than a Fuji with a Sony sensor).

YES! Totally agree.

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de_klaas wrote:

" It has been said that the sensor used is similar to that seen in some Nikon SLR cameras, and therefore manufactured by Sony. Can this information be confirmed?

This would make sense since hasn't Fuji stopped production of any new digital SLRs? It would make sense that they would not produce an image sensor for a P&S model that will probably sell rather low volume in part being it's Fuji and the x100 also has a very high price tag.
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In reply to de_klaas, Dec 23, 2010

If the x100 makes a good profit for fujifilm, i expect to see a finepix X200 with an EXR2 CMOS sensor in 2014 - the best IQ in the history of fuji cameras. Then I will kick my rear for not waiting for better technology :).

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I would say it's a potentially high price tag. . .
In reply to Robert Hoy, Dec 23, 2010

The rumored targeted price seems rather low if the quality, both image and construction quality, is as high as their website wants us to believe. Of course, at this point, it's all talk on their end (and ours too, I guess!). I think the price will either seem an incredible bargain, or stupid high, depending on the reports by early adopters. But I suspect few people will avoid taking a stand on the price once it comes out!
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