D700 vs D7000 ISO 6400 comparison

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Absolutic
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D700 vs D7000 ISO 6400 comparison
Oct 15, 2010

jpegs at ISO 6400 (My lightroom does not recognize D7000' nef yet)

My analysis: D7000 is remarkable, but D700 is safe, at least one stop difference from what I see in these jpegs

D700

D7000

And here is 100%

D700

D7000

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In reply to Absolutic, Oct 15, 2010

Decent, but yes it looks like the 700 still has about a half stop for sure.

If you size them to equal, there is less distance IMO.

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There's a focusing mistake!
In reply to Absolutic, Oct 15, 2010

Actually, the noise character between the two is very similar, but the D7000 seems to be much softer. I think it'd be better to try a non-translucent subject with a pre-defined focus point.

If you look carefully at the shots, the D7000 is focused on the magazine in the background whereas the D700 is focused on the lesser curvature of the cup...

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In reply to Absolutic, Oct 15, 2010

The difference is there, but fairly inconsequential I'd say. Both images are quite usable. One does not 'scream' to be much better then the other. This appears to be the best performing DX sensor to date.
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In reply to powertoold, Oct 15, 2010

Are you comparing a $2300 FF camera against an $1200 DX camera and saying that they are "Close"?

Well at half the price I feel that the D7000 is better. If money doesn't matter let's compare them both to the D3x? They both loose.

Sensor size and price should count in any comparison.

I want to see a comparison of the Nikon D7000 vs the Canon 7D. Which is the better DX camera for about the same $$. Come on DPReview everyone is waiting on this comparison.

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Re: There's a focusing mistake!
In reply to jack92029, Oct 15, 2010

I did mention that the D7000 is soft: possibly because of a focusing issue, possibly because it's just soft in general. To eliminate the focusing variable, it'd be best to use a more defined subject.

What I said is that the noise character is similar. Never said I say the IQ of the D700 is close to the D7000. In fact, I've said a couple times that the D7000's IQ would not compare to the D700.

Also, we might all see more of a difference (mentally) because the D7000's white balance is different than the D700's. We can only have a real comparison if both looked similar and were focused on the same point.

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Not so soft
In reply to powertoold, Oct 15, 2010

At least not always, fully capable of sharp shots

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Re: Not so soft
In reply to sandy b, Oct 15, 2010

I'm mostly referring to the higher ISO shots.

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Focusing errors
In reply to sandy b, Oct 15, 2010

Yes, this is by no means scientific, I was handholding both cameras and did not care where it would focus as all I wanted to see was noise characteristics.

By the way, I think D7000 will murder 7D/550D/60D (all three Canons have the same sensor and essentially the same high ISO patterns).
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In reply to powertoold, Oct 15, 2010

Sorry, i just saw camera was soft. All uber hi iso shots on dlsrs are "softer" no way around it.Nature of the beast. My bosses D3s, however, is razor sharp at 5000.

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In reply to jack92029, Oct 15, 2010

Actually, the 7D body is going for $1599 at most reputable Canon dealerships, which puts it in a bumped up class for comparison. The fairer comparison using your criteria would be the 60D.

IMO, I enjoy seeing all the comparisons without regard to price...it's cool to see such a camera maintain IQ against the giants!

jack92029 wrote:

Are you comparing a $2300 FF camera against an $1200 DX camera and saying that they are "Close"?

Well at half the price I feel that the D7000 is better. If money doesn't matter let's compare them both to the D3x? They both loose.

Sensor size and price should count in any comparison.

I want to see a comparison of the Nikon D7000 vs the Canon 7D. Which is the better DX camera for about the same $$. Come on DPReview everyone is waiting on this comparison.

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In reply to IeraseU, Oct 15, 2010

The D7k will outperform the C. 7D by a good 1/2 stop or more. Likely more. And, when the 7D was first out, there were lots of cries about it being soft too. Nature of a smaller sensor ?
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Like in the Canon series, the larger sensor beats smaller by 2/3 to 1 1/3 stop, depending on release dates. ( time for R&D).

N. has done a very good job here indeed.

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In reply to Absolutic, Oct 15, 2010

Hi,

I have a D700 and am thinking of getting a D7000 as a backup. For well exposed images, I noticed that D7000 is almost the same as D700. Now the big question for me is what happens if it is 1 or 2 stop underexposed? Is it still usable if have to fix it in post. Now this is important because when shooting weddings, sometimes I get under exposed images that I need to recover. The D700 is amazing for that even at ISO 6400. My D200, D90, D300 and D300s does not even compare. I think this is something many reviews don't take into consideration.

Can you post a comparison image if the photo is 1 to 3 stop underexposed and fixed in post? Or just underexposed images is just fine.

The only unfortunate part is if I get the D7000, I am stuck using the 17-55 ( and I went thru 6 copies) which does not even compare to the 24-70 in terms of sharpness. (I have 3 copies)

Please don't conclude I don't like the D300, I had it for 2 years and shot many weddings with it. Just the high ISO of the D700 is a world apart.

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In reply to turbotan, Oct 15, 2010

Agreed.

The D700 noise is very grain like. But I see the D7000 noise as very blotchy. Looks like the software has gotten better for smaller sensors.
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D700 clearly the better one
In reply to Absolutic, Oct 15, 2010

The D700 image has more depth, truer colors - graing and blotches aside, it is by far the most appealing image.

Not that I am at all surprised. The D7K will still probably match, if not exeed the 18Mp trio from Canon.

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Re: D700 clearly the better one
In reply to vagtanklan, Oct 15, 2010

I agree, after all it's not the number of pixels that make the difference here it's the quality of those pixels which can clearly be seen.

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Re: There's a focusing mistake!
In reply to jack92029, Oct 15, 2010

jack92029 wrote:

Sensor size and price should count in any comparison.

I want to see a comparison of the Nikon D7000 vs the Canon 7D. Which is the better DX camera for about the same $$. Come on DPReview everyone is waiting on this comparison.

Agree with your first point:

the 7D isn't about the same. It's more expensive, has been out longer and it street price may be lower than it was, but it is a pro APSC camera which should be compared against the yet non existant D400 or as it was, the D300s. The D7000 street price will come down too.

the real comparison is 60D vs D7000. which are the two models being targeted to the mid level (non pro) APSC shooter and are 100 bucks appart. Like the 60D, the street price will drop on the D7000 making the only comparison that even makes sense.

but from these samples and the specs why bother. clearly the D7000 is the better camera for about 100 bucks more. comprate this to the 400 dollar difference to step up to a 7D.

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In reply to mgblack74, Oct 15, 2010

mgblack74 wrote:

Agreed.

The D700 noise is very grain like. But I see the D7000 noise as very blotchy. Looks like the software has gotten better for smaller sensors.
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that should be pretty irrelevant for raw. but if you shoot jpg, I guess yeah.

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In reply to Absolutic, Oct 15, 2010

D700 seems to win at 100% crop but don't forget it's 12 vs 16 Mpx, so if you print the same size, the difference should be even less.
And you have more room to clean 16Mpx.

The white balance looks more accurate with de new D7000: look at the white paper, it's more white with the D7000. Is it auto WB ?

This D7000 looks to be one of the best APSC camera to date !!

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In reply to Absolutic, Oct 15, 2010

Thanks for the comparison, and the full size samples

It seems the D7000 is remarkably close to the full frame D700, which is an impressive feat indeed!

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