Absolutely stupifying: ISO 6,400 with the D3s

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jbcrane
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Absolutely stupifying: ISO 6,400 with the D3s
May 14, 2010

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So we're at my son's band concert earlier in the week and I have a pretty good seat. There's a guy behind me hired to shoot group photos with strobes and I'm stuck in the middle with my D3S and available light. I turn it up to 6,400 honestly not expecting all that much and start shooting.

Today I processed some of the shots and once again was stunned at what the D3S produces at ISO 6400. To those who think low-light shooting is a nicety; something they never really do, for me it's turned into an incredibly important tool to be able to shoot hand-held at my favored 150-200mm focal length, with available light, on the fly, and still get a high-quality, candid photo.

I've put up a full-frame crop centered on the focal point so you can see at 1:1
Straight out of the camera, captured 14-bit lossless RAW at Vibrant pc, auto WB.
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I'm amazed myself. I just had my D3s delivered yesterday and I took it out last night to see what it could do. I know all the hoopla surrounding this camera and its high iso prowess, but, I have to say it's well deserved. It's actually better than I imagined. I set mine on auto-iso with a 12,800 ceiling, and when I got home and checked the results on ACR, I was thrilled. It really is in a league of it's own. There are many out there who are dissapointed with the 12MP resolution, but, I think Nikon went in the right direction and holds a unique position with this camera....and this comes from a Canon shooter with a 5D2.

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Spendthrift wrote:

I'm amazed myself. I just had my D3s delivered yesterday and I took it out last night to see what it could do. I know all the hoopla surrounding this camera and its high iso prowess, but, I have to say it's well deserved. It's actually better than I imagined. I set mine on auto-iso with a 12,800 ceiling, and when I got home and checked the results on ACR, I was thrilled. It really is in a league of it's own. There are many out there who are dissapointed with the 12MP resolution, but, I think Nikon went in the right direction and holds a unique position with this camera....and this comes from a Canon shooter with a 5D2.

Hi Evan,

Congrats on your move and I know you'll be pleased. I was talking to my local guy in Boulder the other day and he said they're impossible to get - the FBI gets the next big order; they're using them as surveillance because they can take a legible image of a license plate in the dark. And I agree about 12mp. It seems for a vast majority of the applications that's more than enough resolution. For everything else there's the D3X.

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Stop this! Some of us are still very happy with the D3! Awesome display of D3s ability.

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I'll also point out that, if you're willing to bite the bullet and do some lossy processing in post, you can step into Hi1 (25600), eeeeven Hi2 (51200) if you have to, and not throw away the shot.

That said, ISO12800 is the top of the climb freely ladder.

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AlexMegremis wrote:

I'll also point out that, if you're willing to bite the bullet and do some lossy processing in post, you can step into Hi1 (25600), eeeeven Hi2 (51200) if you have to, and not throw away the shot.

That said, ISO12800 is the top of the climb freely ladder.

If you shot raw and use LR3/ACR 6 for chroma NR and capture sharpening, then use Topaz Denoise 4, enhance colors in the LAB color mode and finish off with Topaz Detail or Focal Blade there is hardly no limitations for 1024 px web images or small prints with the D3s if the shot is done with optimal exposure. I shoot regularly with my D3s at up to ISO 102400.

The D3s in raw lose almost nothing in IQ at ISO 12800 compared to ISO 200. The real decline in IQ starts at ISO 51200. Jpg shooters lose 2-3 stops of IQ if in camera NR and sharpening is used. I would not use the Hi settings if I shot jpg OOC only.

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jbcrane wrote:

http://jbcrane.zenfolio.com/d3s/e4964d66

So we're at my son's band concert earlier in the week and I have a pretty good seat. There's a guy behind me hired to shoot group photos with strobes and I'm stuck in the middle with my D3S and available light. I turn it up to 6,400 honestly not expecting all that much and start shooting.

Today I processed some of the shots and once again was stunned at what the D3S produces at ISO 6400. To those who think low-light shooting is a nicety; something they never really do, for me it's turned into an incredibly important tool to be able to shoot hand-held at my favored 150-200mm focal length, with available light, on the fly, and still get a high-quality, candid photo.

I've put up a full-frame crop centered on the focal point so you can see at 1:1
Straight out of the camera, captured 14-bit lossless RAW at Vibrant pc, auto WB.
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ISO 6400 is just a commonplace setting on the D3s. You have four stops more available.

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Tim S wrote:

Stop this! Some of us are still very happy with the D3! Awesome display of D3s ability.

The D3 is by no means any slouch. Even though this one should have been set at 6400. ISO 5000 still worked quite well.

I do believe however that the D3S is yet in another league if a person will be shooting regularly at high ISO events.

Very nice shot and crop JB.

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Quoting Mr. Crane: "I'm convinced that, in the right hands, there's almost no photograph this camera can't make."

...that fact is, if you can see it,...so can the D3s!

...pls save one for me...
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Tim S wrote:

Stop this! Some of us are still very happy with the D3! Awesome display of D3s ability.

Tim,

I was never fortunate enough to have shot with the D3 before moving to the D3S. I came up on the D200/D300 track and am having so much fun discovering what all you guys have known for a while: the D3 series is unbeatable. Thanks for your comments.

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Alex,
I'm kinda' easing up that ladder, but the view is phenomenal ;-)...
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Mel wrote:

Very nice shot and crop JB.

Thanks Mel.

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I might add, nothing wrong with the 70-200 VR1 from those pictures. Well done.
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Vadar looks pretty smart these days -seriously the D3s is an excellent camera and this sort of low level reproduction will seem to be norm very soon to all new cameras soon.

We are all winners now - a few years ago shooting good clean 1600-iso shots would be unheard of.
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thomas2279 wrote:

Vadar looks pretty smart these days -seriously the D3s is an excellent camera and this sort of low level reproduction will seem to be norm very soon to all new cameras soon.

We are all winners now - a few years ago shooting good clean 1600-iso shots would be unheard of.
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Yes, it has been a trip in ISO land...

In 2004 my D70 produced images a ISO 1600 that was as noisy as the D3s now has at ISO 20000. In 2005 the D2x was no better. In 2007 the D3 changed it all and in 2009 the D3s took it a step further.

Paired with better and better output from raw converters such as LR3/ACR 6, improved NR software like Topaz Denoise 4 and really good sharpening tools like FocalBlade 2 and Topaz Detail 2 there are almost endless possibilites to produce images with good IQ today independent of the lighting conditions we shoot our photos in.

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I saw the picture. Though from the image I cannot estimate the enlargement it would bear as there are grains visible.

However the masked shot is interesting and the surrounding kids are also happy.

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In reply to JMD-70, May 15, 2010

JMD-70 wrote:

Quoting Mr. Crane: "I'm convinced that, in the right hands, there's almost no photograph this camera can't make."

...that fact is, if you can see it,...so can the D3s!

...and say that the D3S is the first camera more sensitive than the human eye. You can take photos where you hardly can see.

...pls save one for me...
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PerL wrote:

JMD-70 wrote:

Quoting Mr. Crane: "I'm convinced that, in the right hands, there's almost no photograph this camera can't make."

...that fact is, if you can see it,...so can the D3s!

...and say that the D3S is the first camera more sensitive than the human eye. You can take photos where you hardly can see.

...pls save one for me...
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Yes but you need the AF illumination help from a SB-900 or SU-800 when an ISO 102400 shot require f1.4, 1/10s or longer.

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Arun Gaur wrote:

I saw the picture. Though from the image I cannot estimate the enlargement it would bear as there are grains visible.

However the masked shot is interesting and the surrounding kids are also happy.

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There will be no visible grain in a normal sized print.

I have printed shots taken at ISO 102400 in A4 size. No grain is visible.

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Thanks for the clarification.

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