Which Cokin series kit for wide angle lens?

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nikonist23
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Which Cokin series kit for wide angle lens?
Feb 21, 2010

Ive been looking into getting a Cokin kit for the nikon 10-24mm and Im a little confused on which kit to get. Their website states the the P series will cover up to 84mm in width which should cover my lens since it is 77m. Then it goes on to say that the P series is recommended for focal lengths up to 28mm onwards. Can anyone suggest which series is good for my 10-24? Thank you

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In reply to nikonist23, Feb 22, 2010

Try within a shop where they have these filters, because besides the filter size itself, the two sides of the filter adapter itself that holds the filters mostly is the negative part that comes into play for vignetting.

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In reply to nikonist23, Feb 22, 2010

I use Cokin P series on my Sigma 10-20, whithout any problems.

But on the wide end you have to have the Cokin Wide Angle holder (one slot), to avoid vignetting.
You can look at a previous post of mine:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=34525849

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In reply to LAHJ, Feb 22, 2010

LAHJ wrote:

I use Cokin P series on my Sigma 10-20, whithout any problems.

But on the wide end you have to have the Cokin Wide Angle holder (one slot), to avoid vignetting.

I seem to remember that even the 1-slot Cokin-P will vignette at 10-12mm. If use at 10mm is an absolute necessity I would go with Cokin-Z, though the price of filters goes up A LOT.

Two opinions:

1) If you own a hacksaw, don't waste your money on "wide angle" Cokin adapaters. Just saw off the extra slots of the regular adapter.

2) Stay away from Cokin filters. At least their ND and GND filters are not very neutral. HiTech offers a reasonable compromise between quality and price, everything above that costs an arm and a leg, particularly since these filters scratch easily and need to be considered a consumable that will require replacement every year or two.

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In reply to BoyOhBoy, Feb 22, 2010

I was about to ask the same question as the OP

I have a Cokin P series system that I use on my Nikon Kit lenses and as far as I can see they are ok , despite what ppl say about the effect on image quality

But I now have a 12-24 Tokina lens and yeah the std P series holder is not much use

So I was going to ask about the P-series wide angle holder , it seems I have my answer , maybe

One reply says yes , one say no , bugger anyone else know .

I don't have the option of trying one in a shop , the nearest shop is , well I dunno how far away , bloody long way

If the wide angle holder was ok that all I would need + a 77mm adaptor ring

To start over with a Z series is very expensive

I will hang out and hope to read a few more replies

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In reply to LAHJ, Feb 22, 2010

LAHJ wrote:

I use Cokin P series on my Sigma 10-20, whithout any problems.

But on the wide end you have to have the Cokin Wide Angle holder (one slot), to avoid vignetting.
You can look at a previous post of mine:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=34525849

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I had a look at your other post , but you said " Second pic @ 12 mm

Third pic @ 10 mm with Cpl removed "

if I read your EXIF data correctly , the second pic is @ 10mm and the third is @ 12mm
so has the second pis @ 10mm have a Cokin Wide Angle holder attached
or have I got it the wrong way round

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In reply to nikonist23, Feb 22, 2010

Cokin P is fine. Get the WA holder which has 1 slot instead of 3.
For a few dollars more I'd recommend Lee instead.
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slimandy wrote:

Cokin P is fine. Get the WA holder which has 1 slot instead of 3.
For a few dollars more I'd recommend Lee instead.
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Thanks for the reply , do you suggest just to get a Lee WA holder
I all ready have Cokin P filters

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In reply to Fjrjacko, Feb 22, 2010

You're absolutely right.
Sorry about that.

The fact remains, that if a Cokin P wide angle holder is used, there is no problem with vignetting @ 10 mm on a Sigma 10-20.

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f/10, @10mm, 0.3s, ISO 100, no flash, Cokin Wide Angle Holder with a Cokin P153 NDX4 Neutral Density Filter ( 2 stop )

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In reply to LAHJ, Feb 22, 2010

LAHJ wrote:

You're absolutely right.
Sorry about that.

The fact remains, that if a Cokin P wide angle holder is used, there is no problem with vignetting @ 10 mm on a Sigma 10-20.

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Ok thanks mate , I will get one and give it a go , rather than get the Z Pro yet

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In reply to nikonist23, Feb 23, 2010

I want to thank everyone for all the information. Its good to hear that I can use the P series because of the price. The next size up which is 4X4, I think, isnt all that bad in price either. I looked at some of the Lee systems and although they seem to be better they are kinda expensive. Looking at the pictures posted previously it doesnt vignette at wide angles. I wouldnt want to have limit myself at all from shooting at 10mm.

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In reply to nikonist23, Feb 23, 2010

I have the Cokin p series with the wide angle adapter. I use it with hitech filters. I also have the Nikon 10-24 and it does vignette from 10 to about 12mm. Maybe the Sigma doesn't but my Nikon definitely does.

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In reply to rwolds, Feb 23, 2010

rwolds, thanks so much for the information. Its good to hear that someone has the exact same lens I have. Id like to get the Cokin P because of the price but the Z series might help with the vignetting at lower focal lengths.

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rwolds wrote:

I have the Cokin p series with the wide angle adapter. I use it with hitech filters. I also have the Nikon 10-24 and it does vignette from 10 to about 12mm. Maybe the Sigma doesn't but my Nikon definitely does.

This is consistent with my recollection of the performance of the Sigma 10-20. Unfortunately I have no images to prove it and no longer own the Sigma.

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In reply to BoyOhBoy, Feb 23, 2010

Well I ordered a Cokin P-WA holder and adaptor ring today for my 12-24 Tokina
So I should know in a few days .
Will let ya all know

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In reply to nikonist23, Feb 23, 2010

P is too narrow for even 11mm on Dx. You can use the same filter, but it should be held from top to bottom, instead of from the sides (they are not square).

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Fjrjacko wrote:

Thanks for the reply , do you suggest just to get a Lee WA holder
I all ready have Cokin P filters

No, I was suggesting the Lee filters - much better quality but expensive. The Lee holder is bigger, same as the Cokin Z I think. No need for a WA holder with Lee. The ND grads are big enough to use as ND's, even on my 17~35 f2.8.

If you are happy with Cokin filters just get the single-slot holder instead of the 3 slot version, but that will limit you to one filter of course. The Cokin polariser is rubbish anyway.

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In reply to Sergey_Green, Feb 23, 2010

Yeah I know there not square as I already have a cokin P series filter kit with a few filters for my 18-55 Lens

I have ordered a P series WA holder and ring to try on my 12-24 Tokina

Its no big deal if its to narrow and gives me the $^ !s I will have to get a Z pro kit or Lee Kit

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In reply to nikonist23, Feb 24, 2010

It sounds like I may need to go with the Z series to be on the safe side. I dont want it vignetting at 10mm. Im going to research and see what the price difference is between the Lee system and Z series for Cokin. Im sure Ill have to end up going with the Cokin Z series.

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In reply to nikonist23, Feb 25, 2010

Ok Guys my Cokin P Wide adaptor and 77mm ring turned up today and I have just taken a couple of test shots

Yep it vignettes @ 12mm with my Tokina 12-24 on my D90
Its not much but if you dont want any you had better get a Z series or Lee

I will see how it goes but if it gives me the shyts , I will flog my whole P-series Kit on ebay , and get something else

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