D3x roundup

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Tony Rundle
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Re: Too Confusing
In reply to RKGoth, Nov 19, 2008

I was planning to buy a D3 in the next month or so (a D700 would do for most of my work, but the extra speed of the D3 would help for sporting events).

So now I'm waiting to see what actually gets announced. I hope it is a 24mp FX but don't care much about the other options that may or may or may not appear.

Why do I want 24mp? Well mostly I don't. But it would be very useful to have for product shots and so on. I just wish they'd hurry up!

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Your take jeff-c
In reply to jeff-c, Nov 19, 2008

Hi Jeff,

What's your take on the likely feature set.

rgds

jeff-c wrote:

Thom Hogan wrote:

It's going to be announced sometime between this week and 10-December
(who knows if it's immediately available or might be as late as March
before it ships).

This has been the tough one to call. Three times now I've been given
a specific date. The current one is 12/1 (or 1/12 for you Europeans).
But for some reason the date doesn't seem locked, and it does seem
strange that we're talking about a Monday, as that means Sunday in
Japan.

Dec. 1st date is set, according to a leak photo of press event
invitation.

http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=577728

It's Dec. 1st Japan/Asia date and the time is 12pm Tokyo time which
will be Nov. 30 late evening or early morning o US time depending on
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D400 too? Re: D3x roundup
In reply to jeff-c, Nov 19, 2008

There are rumors of a 16MP D400 flying around. Here's the Chinese invitation:

Translation from Nikonrumors (it's just a showcase event, nothing about new products, many of these are being held around the world, like Dec9th in UK):

"Quick Translation

Respectful Ladies and Gentleman,

How are you,

Thank you for a long term support and deeply concern for the Nikon Company and Nikon professional photography products.

2008 Winter Exhibition on Nikon experience

Beside Product description in the exhibition, the Nikon experience will have studio set up in the venue for products trial.
Hence, Nikon would like to invite you sincerely.

Nikon imaging equipment sales (China) Co., Ltd.

Message in the Winter Exhibition for Nikon experience

Monday 1st December, 2008
Time 13:00 - 16:00
Grand Ballroom C, China Hotel
Jian Guo Men Wai Avenue, Chaoyang District

Schedule:
13:00 - 13:30 Press sign-in
13:30 – 14:30 Products Description
14:45 –16:00 Hand on product experience"

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Nikon has no flagship
In reply to tissunique, Nov 19, 2008

Nikon stopped making the D3. Nikon needs something in the $5K range (or higher) or they risk completely loosing out on the revenue from this price point in the market. Until Nikon releases something new (call it D3h, D3s, D3x, D4 or the really goofy D3sx, pick your favorite name), the D700 is their top of the line DSLR. January/February 2009, maybe. But Nikon can't wait very long to intro a new flagship model. $5K or higher is my bet. They have proven they can sell at ton of DSLRs at $5K (D2h, D2x & D3 all entered the market at $5K USD). I also believe they can sell at a price point above $5K -if- they do something special.

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tissunique wrote:

Don't see this. To me it seems that the D3 IS the D3H albeit with
some tweaks to come (and don't forget the hint that the D3 already
has some as yet revealed capabilities via firmware). Right now Nikon
has a gap in its armoury at the higher res level against its major
competitor, and especially with the imminent release of the new 5D.
If Nikon was to release a 'super-sport' model then it wouldn't need
to happen till 2009 to combat the new and similiarly targeted 1D.
Tony

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studio and landscape shooters have time on their hands ;)
In reply to Grig, Nov 19, 2008

Grig wrote:

Steve Bingham wrote:

But, then computers are progressing even faster. Terabyte wasn't even
discussed 2-3 years ago. Now it's common place. Move on - or get
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Well, I guess it is not about the storage... It's cheap now (I use
somewhere around 5-6 TB between 3 internal and 5 external drives
;o)... It's about processor horsepower and I/O speed... ;o)))

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Re: D3x roundup
In reply to Grig, Nov 19, 2008

I hired a photog for my stepdaughter wedding, best in town. He uses 5Ds. When I mentioned to him th enew 5D would be 21MP he said he was going to get another 5D before it went out of production. His reaction was: "ouch, I don't need that and don't want that".

Grig wrote:

Mel wrote:

As at least a "moderate" wedding photographer in terms of jobs
performed, the thought of extremely large files scares the @X!@&% out
of me. I would definitely purchase such a model in a heartbeat. But
the thought alone at this point is well, still processing.

As a "moderate" wedding photographer you should know that you don't
need more than 12MP of good pixels... ;o))) For studio (billboard/big
group kinda) or landscape photographers - it is a whole different
story...

I NEVER had any problem this year (shot 22 weddings with D3 since
November last year and replaced D300 with D700 in July) with
resolution... 12MP is more than enough for what I do.

But speaking about size - you are absolutely right... When I work on
2k+ 12MP RAW images (1 normal wedding) in LR2 - my quad core PC is
already having a hard time... (BTW: It is DELL XPS720 optimized for
performance with all bells and whistles...) I just can't imagine
working on thousands of 24MP files... ;o(

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Are you Surmising?
In reply to Dan Wells, Nov 19, 2008

You have used a lot of word, but haven't said much
Do you also take pictures
or just write about camera mechanics?

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Re: Are you Surmising?
In reply to yakitori, Nov 19, 2008

yakitori wrote:

You have used a lot of word, but haven't said much
Do you also take pictures
or just write about camera mechanics?

The word "roundup" implies that this is a summary of rumours and "information" on the new camera.

It's not original content by the OP, just a handy reference post of all content generated lately.

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Re: Not D3X - but D400
In reply to Jonathan Statt, Nov 19, 2008

Jonathan Statt wrote:

Has anyone supposed that they may release a semi-pro grade camera
instead with the Sony sensor instead as an interim move.....the D400

Actually, the current speculation is that Nikon will announce both a D3x and a D400 (APS, 16mp).

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Re: D3x roundup
In reply to rhlpetrus, Nov 19, 2008

rhlpetrus wrote:

I hired a photog for my stepdaughter wedding, best in town. He uses
5Ds. When I mentioned to him th enew 5D would be 21MP he said he was
going to get another 5D before it went out of production. His
reaction was: "ouch, I don't need that and don't want that".

Well, and he is absolutely right... In Weddings/PJ - the most important thing is the Moment = Speed = ability to crank ISO up to get enough of the shutter speed...

Another speed is the speed of processing when you have to shoot a wedding every Saturday, and sometimes Saturday AND Sunday...

Is there more than D3 to want? Absolutely... Clean ISO25600 combined with F1.4 would be very handy... ;o)))

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petabytes & exabytes
In reply to Steve Bingham, Nov 19, 2008

Datacenter operators have been talking about petabytes & exabytes for a couple of years now.

Cheers,
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Hoping they keep pro-DX line, aka D400. /nt
In reply to Thom Hogan, Nov 19, 2008

Thom Hogan wrote:

Jonathan Statt wrote:

Has anyone supposed that they may release a semi-pro grade camera
instead with the Sony sensor instead as an interim move.....the D400

Actually, the current speculation is that Nikon will announce both a
D3x and a D400 (APS, 16mp).

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Re: Not D3X - but D400
In reply to Jonathan Statt, Nov 19, 2008

Jonathan Statt wrote:

The D400 would be FX unlike the D300, but because it technically does
not exceed the D700/D3 in terms of clean image output or fps, they
give it the D400 name rather than D800.

IMHO they would have chosen to call it the D600 if it was FX. So I assume it will be DX and make the DX camp happy for some time (a year or so;-).

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Re: Not exactly what miancu said
In reply to michaeladawson, Nov 19, 2008

michaeladawson wrote:

Dan Wells wrote:

Some minor but entirely new to Nikon DSLRs new features like built-in
GPS and/or wireless image transfer.

I'm not sure which of the various bits of information you were
referring to with the above bullet. If this refers to a specific
tidbit that miancu said I think this has been mis-repeated in
subsequent postings.

If I recall correctly, miancu stated that the "D3x" has something
that he never expected to see in a 24x36mm sensor camera. I can't
remember whether the qualification "from Nikon" was tacked on to the
end of that or not.

Maybe Nikon have a very poor phone built into the camera. After all, I got a very poor camera last time I bought a phone

Anyway, I've read several posts where people speculate what this
feature might be. And usually they totally miss the mark because
they don't take into account that it needs to be something you would
never expect in an FX sensor camera. At least nothing that miancu
ever expected.

GPS? I seriously doubt that would qualify as something never
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Re: Dec. 1??
In reply to Thom Hogan, Nov 19, 2008

Thom Hogan wrote:

And this is a tough time of year to do channel prep.

Not to mention that Nikon in particular has strained the cash flow of dealers with their 4th quarter buy-in programs. Having to come up with tens of thousands of dollars for the delivery of a D3 priced camera would strain a great many budgets. The only possible plus side is typically a camera like this would sell as fast as they came so cash-flow problems could be minimized. However in many cases D700's did not sell out at initial delivery which is indicative of the economic state we're currently in.

IMO, last years delivery of D3 and D300's just prior to Thanksgiving is the approximate drop-dead date to get new products like this in dealers' hands without adversely affecting holiday sales and inventories.

The other thing is that none of this information has funneled down to the dealer level. Of course most of the times we might get lucky to get a heads-up on Fri for a Mon announcement. I wouldn't expect much difference this time around.

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jb_va2001 wrote:

Nikon stopped making the D3.

Really? LOL!

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Re: D3x roundup
In reply to Boris Macek, Nov 19, 2008

Coventionally perhaps yes (whether you went to university or not), however, markets dictate and tell me which would be the higher volume camera - a D3X/4 or D800 (or whatever it would be called), and with a powerful competing product

right here, right now (virtually)... I know what I would do. What would your university say? Incientally I don't want either but the speculative marketing strategy fascinates me - I'm happy with my D3. Sony and Canon have important products released and almost released, and a D3x/D4 does not compete... Maybe it's the D400...
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Grig wrote:

Is there more than D3 to want? Absolutely... Clean ISO25600 combined
with F1.4 would be very handy... ;o)))

D4, 16MB, new tech, 25600 clean

But only early 2010.

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Re: Not D3X - but D400
In reply to Thom Hogan, Nov 19, 2008

Thom Hogan wrote:

Jonathan Statt wrote:

Has anyone supposed that they may release a semi-pro grade camera
instead with the Sony sensor instead as an interim move.....the D400

Actually, the current speculation is that Nikon will announce both a
D3x and a D400 (APS, 16mp).

Hmm, hope they did it right, the 50D is not that good. They reduced the RGB filter strength, this has been mentioned by Westfall, then by people using it, now confirmed by DxO color test. And the DxO test stops at 3200ISO for the 50D, results are already very poor compared to D90 (and D300), even though it has 6400 and 12800 settings. For D300, D90, D3 and D700 they went the full ISO range, including the H ones.

I wished they'd keep pixel count low, no luck.
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Re: D400 too? Re: D3x roundup
In reply to rhlpetrus, Nov 19, 2008

Know what? a 16mp FF D400 or whatever is what i wanted the 5d to be....
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