Mac online backup question.

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cherrybloke
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Mac online backup question.
Nov 9, 2008

Most backup services simply mirror the local harddrive. So if you delete files on the local drive, the backup files on your server will also be deleted. My fear is that a virus or some other mishap could delete my files on my local drive, and then, my files would be deleted on the backup server.

Some backup services will actually archive files though. (iDrive) In other words, once files are backed up to the server, those files will never be deleted unless you delete them directly from the server. Howvever, iDrive's personal account only allows for 150GB of data on the server, and will not allow you to add incrementally to this for a fee.

Any other alternatives that truly archive files and don"t cost and arm and a leg?

noirdesir
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In reply to cherrybloke, Nov 9, 2008

No real general solution, but for text-based documents any Subversion (SVN) or other versioning system (Mercurial) will provide the perfect solution (in terms of maintaining backups of 'all' versions of your files).

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In reply to cherrybloke, Nov 9, 2008

Check out Crashplan, http://www.crashplan.com/features/techSpecs.vtl

Your offsite backup can be your own pc sitting at a friends house...

Also Time Machine will do the versioning of your files...backup the TM backup offsite.

cherrybloke wrote:

Most backup services simply mirror the local harddrive. So if you
delete files on the local drive, the backup files on your server will
also be deleted. My fear is that a virus or some other mishap could
delete my files on my local drive, and then, my files would be
deleted on the backup server.

Some backup services will actually archive files though. (iDrive) In
other words, once files are backed up to the server, those files will
never be deleted unless you delete them directly from the server.
Howvever, iDrive's personal account only allows for 150GB of data on
the server, and will not allow you to add incrementally to this for a
fee.

Any other alternatives that truly archive files and don"t cost and
arm and a leg?

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Simone Ueberwasser
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Re: Mac online backup question.
In reply to cherrybloke, Nov 9, 2008

checkout

http://www.getdropbox.com/

they keep archives to a certain extend.

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cherrybloke
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In reply to Simone Ueberwasser, Nov 9, 2008

Simone Ueberwasser wrote:

checkout

http://www.getdropbox.com/

they keep archives to a certain extend.

Interesting, but it seems designed to sync to computers. It does have a "trashcan," but I wonder how much capacity is allowed.

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cherrybloke
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In reply to webfrasse, Nov 9, 2008

Cool solution, but I have 175 gigs to back up. Not too many people I'd trust to keep their computers clean of viruses and other malware.

webfrasse wrote:
Check out Crashplan, http://www.crashplan.com/features/techSpecs.vtl

Your offsite backup can be your own pc sitting at a friends house...

Also Time Machine will do the versioning of your files...backup the
TM backup offsite.

cherrybloke wrote:

Most backup services simply mirror the local harddrive. So if you
delete files on the local drive, the backup files on your server will
also be deleted. My fear is that a virus or some other mishap could
delete my files on my local drive, and then, my files would be
deleted on the backup server.

Some backup services will actually archive files though. (iDrive) In
other words, once files are backed up to the server, those files will
never be deleted unless you delete them directly from the server.
Howvever, iDrive's personal account only allows for 150GB of data on
the server, and will not allow you to add incrementally to this for a
fee.

Any other alternatives that truly archive files and don"t cost and
arm and a leg?

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Mikael

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Jon L
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I tried the mozy free backup; but it's limited to size. The file downloaded were so slow it's not worth it to me. I was using dsl; not sure if cable is faster?
I know Amazon has backup and so will Adobe soon. Jon L
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cherrybloke
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Re: Mac online backup question.
In reply to Jon L, Nov 9, 2008

I currently use Mozy. it's worked just fine for me, but if your local files ever get deleted by malware, Mozy deletes the files on the server after 30 days. That's my concern.

Jon L wrote:

I tried the mozy free backup; but it's limited to size. The file
downloaded were so slow it's not worth it to me. I was using dsl; not
sure if cable is faster?
I know Amazon has backup and so will Adobe soon. Jon L
http://jonsmac-arts-optimizations.blogspot.com/

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webfrasse
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In reply to cherrybloke, Nov 9, 2008

No risk for viruses since the backup files are encrypted and compressed. You cannot see them as files on the backup server. As I mentioned, you can have YOUR machine running at your parents or friends place. All they do is provide power and a closet for it to sit in.

What I did was to create a virtual machine at home on my pc. Configured it as a backup server for crashplan. Created the initial +100GB of backup. After that I moved it to another machine (the VM is contained on a USB drive). On that other machine you can use VMware Server (free) that will run you vm in the background. Needs only diskspace and maybe 200mb ram. Shutsdown with the host pc and boots up in the background. No one will notice it's there.

cherrybloke wrote:
Cool solution, but I have 175 gigs to back up. Not too many people
I'd trust to keep their computers clean of viruses and other malware.

webfrasse wrote:
Check out Crashplan, http://www.crashplan.com/features/techSpecs.vtl

Your offsite backup can be your own pc sitting at a friends house...

Also Time Machine will do the versioning of your files...backup the
TM backup offsite.

cherrybloke wrote:

Most backup services simply mirror the local harddrive. So if you
delete files on the local drive, the backup files on your server will
also be deleted. My fear is that a virus or some other mishap could
delete my files on my local drive, and then, my files would be
deleted on the backup server.

Some backup services will actually archive files though. (iDrive) In
other words, once files are backed up to the server, those files will
never be deleted unless you delete them directly from the server.
Howvever, iDrive's personal account only allows for 150GB of data on
the server, and will not allow you to add incrementally to this for a
fee.

Any other alternatives that truly archive files and don"t cost and
arm and a leg?

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Simone Ueberwasser
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In reply to cherrybloke, Nov 9, 2008

Check this out:

http://lifehacker.com/5064688/online-storage-feature+by+feature-comparison-chart

the chart gives you all the information you need about capacities.

Here is the information about deleted files etc:

http://www.getdropbox.com/tour#4

Mind, I don't use dropbox (yet), I'm still evaluating, but it looks really good to me.

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In reply to Simone Ueberwasser, Nov 10, 2008

I've used Dropbox for some time to share files between my home pc (mac), work (linux) and my family (all windows). I'm just using the free 2GB service but it works beautifully and syncing is fast.

For larger off site backups I will use Crashplan. The client is $25 and that 's it. You can backup 10 machines and use as much storage as your backup server have room for. I'm just waiting for a fix for a proxy support so I can put my old pc at my office and run the backup server there. Right now crashplan won't go though our firewall...I've asked for a feature update.

Simone Ueberwasser wrote:

Check this out:

http://lifehacker.com/5064688/online-storage-feature+by+feature-comparison-chart

the chart gives you all the information you need about capacities.

Here is the information about deleted files etc:

http://www.getdropbox.com/tour#4

Mind, I don't use dropbox (yet), I'm still evaluating, but it looks
really good to me.

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In reply to cherrybloke, Apr 3, 2013

I use Carbonite for the online backup of my iMac - they automatically keep any file that is deleted from the computer for 30 days before it is removed from their servers.

It is not truly archival, but I think 30 days should be long enough to discover that an important file has been deleted that should not have been deleted - especially when Carbonite is used along with onsite backup to a hard drive with timemachine.

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