Exposure proof - please (img)

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Timskis6
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Exposure proof - please (img)
Oct 15, 2008

How does the exposure look on your monitor? I thought my monitor was properly calibrated, however after sending it in to Costco the resultant print seems about 1/2EV darker than on my monitor. If you've got a calibrated monitor, I'd like to hear your input.

Forgot to mention I didn't use the ICC profiles for the specific printers (I never figured out how).

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It's probably preference, but I'd push up the exposure to get the whites to near clipping, and pull down the shadows as well so that the surfers "black" suit is darker. You don't need to bury the shadows, but it looks a bit flat (And I'm one that likes lower contrast shots).
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I made a few proofs of this image with different exposure settings and color balances. In fact, my preference was exactly what you described - clipping the whites and a bit more contrast in the wetsuit. However, this was the proof that the client chose so that's what I printed. Unfortunately the print didn't look so great, hence the need for help here.

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Timskis6 wrote:

How does the exposure look on your monitor? I thought my monitor was
properly calibrated, however after sending it in to Costco the
resultant print seems about 1/2EV darker than on my monitor. If
you've got a calibrated monitor, I'd like to hear your input.

My past experience is that a lot of the "drug or superstore" (Walgreens, Costco, Walmart, etc) printers lean about 1/2 stop to the dark, so you're probably pretty accurate on that. If I need to print there (have no ICC profile for them), I just adjust for it and send.
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And how did you calibrated your monitor?

It will be better if you correct the image to how it looks on the print for us to compare and post both, original and corrected.

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this is my experience as well with Photoshop here in the UK

I have had some batches refunded in full (200+ prints) because of it.

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Can't help - not calibrated
In reply to Timskis6, Oct 15, 2008

But my prints turn out reasonably like I see them on screen, and I must say your image looks just a tad dark. A minimal boost in brightness or contrast wouldn't hurt. It is a very nice capture in any event.
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Looks good to me on my calibrated monitor. But it could probably go either way just a little if needed to suit you.

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I'm sitting at a profiled monitor looking at your image. To me it looks, very much, as expected with regards to the supplied histogram.

Now, what can one do with that information?

Thinking about it, anyone having a color managed working environment will see the image as one can expect it to look. If you find that the print looks darker than seen on your monitor, well, then it is printed darker.

If you ask if the image is dark we are talking about personal preferences and mine is that I would try to brighten up the highlights and darken the black suit. Contrast has a huge impact on how we perceive an image.

Maybe I don't understand your question fully, or what you want to achieve here.

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In reply to RoelHendrickx, Oct 15, 2008

In the past I haven't had many problems with Costco, it's weird this happened now. I wonder if the print medium - gloss or lustre - has anything to do with brightness of the image. This one was printed gloss which I don't normally do.

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Jonas B wrote:

I'm sitting at a profiled monitor looking at your image. To me it
looks, very much, as expected with regards to the supplied histogram.

Now, what can one do with that information?

Thinking about it, anyone having a color managed working environment
will see the image as one can expect it to look. If you find that the
print looks darker than seen on your monitor, well, then it is
printed darker.

I was in fact referring to the printed image looking darker than the digital image on my monitor - it's hard to take a picture of the printed image and display the comparison online. It's one of those things that just needs to be seen in person, I guess.

I understand that in order to fix the problem I can simply boost the exposure by 0.5EV before sending it in for a print - but then color channels start to clip, the highlights clip, etc., and it wasn't as I intended to display the image. There's got to be a way within Lightroom to use ICC profiles (which I have), but I just don't know how to do it. More research...

If you ask if the image is dark we are talking about personal
preferences and mine is that I would try to brighten up the
highlights and darken the black suit. Contrast has a huge impact on
how we perceive an image.

Maybe I don't understand your question fully, or what you want to
achieve here.

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On a calibrated mac 20" it looks like it could use 1/2 EV boost....
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In reply to Timskis6, Oct 16, 2008

I was in fact referring to the printed image looking darker than the
digital image on my monitor - it's hard to take a picture of the
printed image and display the comparison online. It's one of those
things that just needs to be seen in person, I guess.

You don't have to scan or shoot printed image, you just have to change original one's exposure or levels to make it comparable to printed one on your monitor. Take an attention what light is in the room.

I understand that in order to fix the problem I can simply boost the
exposure by 0.5EV before sending it in for a print - but then color
channels start to clip, the highlights clip, etc., and it wasn't as I
intended to display the image. There's got to be a way within
Lightroom to use ICC profiles (which I have), but I just don't know
how to do it. More research...

You didn't answered, how did you calibrated your monitor?

When I print images on my printer or in lab, prints looks the same, just sometimes slightly darker, but not by 1/2EV (except for colors on my printer, since I didn't created paper profiles for my printer). Monitor has just higher brightness than paper and light around and to check a print I have to look at it with 150-200W lamp.

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In reply to Timskis6, Oct 16, 2008

the past and you have to use the Costco Lab Profile and there is more info at
http://www.drycreekphoto.com

Costco also has a good brochure explaining the process. You have to use the profile of the printer you are going to print on. Phone the store you are sending your files to and they should be able to explain it.

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