Salgado shoots digital

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RobertSigmund
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Sep 21, 2008

I read an interview with Sebastiao Salgado today, where he says he shoots digital now. Reason: The BW-films of today are not as good as they used to be. They contain much less silver, silver being so expensive. He says his workflow hasn't changed a bit since the transition.

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In reply to RobertSigmund, Sep 21, 2008

Interesting, meandrous way he is getting into the issue, and how he is piling excuses. Iven more important would be the output.
I would appreciate info about the source...
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RobertSigmund wrote:

... He says his workflow hasn't changed a bit since the
transition.

Does that mean he puts his flash cards through dev, stop and fixer?

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Amypics wrote:

RobertSigmund wrote:

... He says his workflow hasn't changed a bit since the
transition.

Does that mean he puts his flash cards through dev, stop and fixer?

Amy

Fascinating what you learn on these boards. Who would have expected that digital images could be run through chemical baths, so that he wouldn't have to change his work flow.
As a back-up he uses a Commodore 64 computer to keep running notes...

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Different Medium - Different Problems
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Amypics wrote:

Does that mean he puts his flash cards through dev, stop and fixer?

Methods of dumping the color information is an art for itself.

  • What percentage of a particular color channel should be applied, and in what part of the image?

  • How about grayscale values? Red has not to be close to black - as in panchromatic films. Blue does not have to be rendered in 245-gray either...

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In reply to Diopter, Sep 22, 2008

It is Salgado, after all, so it might just be worth considering the possibility that he knows what he is doing, and that if he says his workflow hasn't changed the rest of us might be placing too much emphasis on workflow.

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A photograph is a secret about a secret. The more it tells you the less you know. Arbus.By this time I am stepping on Komenich’s Pulitzer feet and snapping off a few shots with my new digital Nikon. Salgado is not a fan of the digital camera. Nor is Ritchin, who, being a photo editor prefers to see the evolution of an image — and a photographer — frame by frame. The fact that digital images are so often destroyed on the spot is bothersome to him. He goes on to say how sometimes an image can remain on a contact sheet, overlooked for decades before being “discovered”. Salgado’s own documentary archive exceeds half a million images.

Taken from the web today.

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In reply to Chato, Sep 22, 2008

.. he just takes his flash cards to CVS just like he does with his film.
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I am a big fan of his work, Does anyone have a citation or link for for the interview or whatever?

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http://www.tagesspiegel.de/zeitung/Frauen-Maenner-Fotografie-Sebasti%E3o-Salgado ;art7754,2618545

It was in yesterday's edition of Berliner Tagesspiegel. Quite an interesting interview.

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Can you give us a link to an English version. Sorry but I don't speak German.
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http://www.tagesspiegel.de/zeitung/Frauen-Maenner-Fotografie-Sebasti%E3o-Salgado ;art7754,2618545

It was in yesterday's edition of Berliner Tagesspiegel. Quite an
interesting interview.

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Sorry, no English version available. Additional information: there is one reader comment in the online version that declares that Salgado's claim is utter nonsense, that films are much better today than they were years ago and that their quality does not depend on the amount of silver. Maybe both are right. Salgado never cared about grain. He is the champion of tonality. And while today's films maybe sharper and grainless they may have lost tonalitywise.

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Any indication of what brand & kind of digital camera he is using?

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Unfortunately not, would be quite interesting. My guess: Leica M 8.

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Just use Google translation tools for the Web page. The result is a little goofy but you can get the general idea.

JulesJ wrote:
Can you give us a link to an English version. Sorry but I don't speak
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RobertSigmund wrote:

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/zeitung/Frauen-Maenner-Fotografie-Sebasti%E3o-Salgado ;art7754,2618545

It was in yesterday's edition of Berliner Tagesspiegel. Quite an
interesting interview.

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Unfortunately not, would be quite interesting. My guess: Leica M 8.

My bet is Fuji F30. He frequently works in difficult conditions, so Leica's gear would be too expensive. :-))
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Yes, an M8 is the logical guess, being when doing small format in film (the majority of his work is 35mm b&w) work he used Leica rangefinders and slrs.

During the last couple years, he has been using a Mamiya medium format camera for a landscape project.

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RobertSigmund wrote:

I read an interview with Sebastiao Salgado today, where he says he
shoots digital now. Reason: The BW-films of today are not as good as
they used to be. They contain much less silver, silver being so
expensive. He says his workflow hasn't changed a bit since the
transition.

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That's odd....there are plenty of old style, high silver content film being manufactured right now. I wonder why I can find them and he can't.

And his workflow hasn't changed....really?

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Regarding the workflow: He says he has "contact prints" like he used to have, and then he has made 13x18 cm prints to edit. Just like before.

Regarding the films: I have heard that Tri X has become much thinner. And the T-max-films and their Fuji and Ilford equivalents are, I assume, not much different under this aspect.

In case I want to have a silver-rich-film, like old Verichrome Pan, what would you recommend?

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morninglight wrote:

Yes, an M8 is the logical guess, being when doing small format in
film (the majority of his work is 35mm b&w) work he used Leica
rangefinders and slrs.

In a documentary about him that I watched, he told about his equipment quite a bit and he used three Leica R6 (that is the mechanical R body) with 24, 35 and 60 macro lenses, and he had a 180mm close, without body. He did NOT use the M-system. (only for Leica promotional activities!)

Some other poster made a comment about money, but this guy quit from Magnum because they took a 50% cut of his gallery-sales as well (besides publications and such) which meant a 50% cut of 2 million dollars. (annually, of course)


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