Which Canon EOS will be the first to have Video?

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Which Canon EOS will be the first to have Video?
Aug 29, 2008

I'm an amateur Nikon user, and have been since I sold my EOS 300D to get the D70s. I've held on to it to this day, and will buy Nikon in the future.

I think the video feature (720p HD, 24 fps) of the new D90 is promising, but there's a lot of room for improvement. However, even though I have close to zero video experience, I still think there's a lot of creativity that can be served by having a DSLR — and it's variety of lens choices — that has video capability, even one without AF or a faster frame rate. Personally, I've been thinking of upgrading since the D200 was announced, but haven't mainly because of budget. It will eventually happen, though, and when it does, video will be a feature I would like in my DLSR.

I think Canon will definitely come out with a DLSR with video capability in the future, especially since it has more expertise in it than Nikon does. I think many other manufacturers will have it in their DLSRs as well (Sony would probably be an early adopter). Being who they are, and what they are capable of, though, I think Canon is best positioned (apart from Nikon, now) to have it in the next round of models.

For sake of discussion, I'd just like to know which EOS line you think will first introduce video. Would it be the EOS xxD, xxxD, or xxxxD? EOS xD, perhaps? Also, do you think it would come in the next round of refreshes? I certainly think so. I think Nikon will have it in the successor to the D300, as well as in the pro-grade models, much like Live View is in all the newest models.

I think the EOS 500D (if that's what the successor to the 450D is called) would... no, should... have video. I also think Canon will have a much better implementation of this than the D90 does (I'm thinking stereo audio, selectable frame rates, more resolution options, maybe AF, and longer clips).

Sorry if I'm posting this in a Canon forum... I don't intend to start a war or anything. I just think the D90 is an exciting development for Canon users. Regardless of what some people think, the video capability of the D90 will be a hit, and Canon will definitely want to have a piece of the action. One really wonders why they don't have it yet. I'm thinking they've been developing something ever since (or even before) Live View was introduced in their cameras. It just so happens Nikon came out with a video-capable DLSR first.

I honestly can't wait to see what people will begin to put up on their sites, and all the different ideas and views they'll bring into their photography/videography/media... Imagine what a guy with a variety of lenses can do with a video-capable DSLR and go to a shoot and come back with many different perspectives, both photo and video, of a subject. Even just the thought of a fisheye and a macro lens used for photos and videos would surely give viewers a new experience. An imagine the satisfaction of creating with them...

What do you think?

Cheers,
Adrian

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who cares. a proper hd video camera is much lighter and better
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who cares. a proper hd video camera is much lighter and better

desmondism wrote:

I'm an amateur Nikon user, and have been since I sold my EOS 300D to
get the D70s. I've held on to it to this day, and will buy Nikon in
the future.

I think the video feature (720p HD, 24 fps) of the new D90 is
promising, but there's a lot of room for improvement. However, even
though I have close to zero video experience, I still think there's a
lot of creativity that can be served by having a DSLR — and it's
variety of lens choices — that has video capability, even one without
AF or a faster frame rate. Personally, I've been thinking of
upgrading since the D200 was announced, but haven't mainly because of
budget. It will eventually happen, though, and when it does, video
will be a feature I would like in my DLSR.

I think Canon will definitely come out with a DLSR with video
capability in the future, especially since it has more expertise in
it than Nikon does. I think many other manufacturers will have it in
their DLSRs as well (Sony would probably be an early adopter). Being
who they are, and what they are capable of, though, I think Canon is
best positioned (apart from Nikon, now) to have it in the next round
of models.

For sake of discussion, I'd just like to know which EOS line you
think will first introduce video. Would it be the EOS xxD, xxxD, or
xxxxD? EOS xD, perhaps? Also, do you think it would come in the next
round of refreshes? I certainly think so. I think Nikon will have it
in the successor to the D300, as well as in the pro-grade models,
much like Live View is in all the newest models.

I think the EOS 500D (if that's what the successor to the 450D is
called) would... no, should... have video. I also think Canon will
have a much better implementation of this than the D90 does (I'm
thinking stereo audio, selectable frame rates, more resolution
options, maybe AF, and longer clips).

Sorry if I'm posting this in a Canon forum... I don't intend to start
a war or anything. I just think the D90 is an exciting development
for Canon users. Regardless of what some people think, the video
capability of the D90 will be a hit, and Canon will definitely want
to have a piece of the action. One really wonders why they don't have
it yet. I'm thinking they've been developing something ever since (or
even before) Live View was introduced in their cameras. It just so
happens Nikon came out with a video-capable DLSR first.

I honestly can't wait to see what people will begin to put up on
their sites, and all the different ideas and views they'll bring into
their photography/videography/media... Imagine what a guy with a
variety of lenses can do with a video-capable DSLR and go to a shoot
and come back with many different perspectives, both photo and video,
of a subject. Even just the thought of a fisheye and a macro lens
used for photos and videos would surely give viewers a new
experience. An imagine the satisfaction of creating with them...

What do you think?

Cheers,
Adrian

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What about lenses? If you have a fairly bright (f/1.8) lens, there's a lot you could do with isolating a subject. It would work the same way for video as it does for photos. What would you need to have in a video setup that would match a cheap 50/1.8. And if you have that already (as many people do), why buy a system solely for video?

I think this added functionality to your DLSR will be a very rewarding (creatively) addition to the experience...

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Sorry if I'm posting this in a Canon forum... I don't intend to start

Sure, troll on... you'll get some bites... such as mine.

I honestly can't wait to see what people will begin to put up on
their sites, and all the different ideas and views they'll bring into

Really? Have you noticed that many P&S camers can do video? How's that worked out for this exciting "new" medium?

What do you think?

Two things... one, you're trolling and two, I'm interested in shooting STILL images and will be unhappy if Canon starts adding in video features to their "prosumer" line since I feel it will detract from development of things that would enhance the STILL photography features.

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higher MP, 6 fps in photo mode and so on. All of you that want video on a supurb still camera are nuts. Buy a P/S ! Or Video camera, they about the size of my fist now. Sorry, just my 2cents.

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D_A_S wrote:

Sorry if I'm posting this in a Canon forum... I don't intend to start

Sure, troll on... you'll get some bites... such as mine.

Say what you will. I just want to know what people (other than you) think.

I honestly can't wait to see what people will begin to put up on
their sites, and all the different ideas and views they'll bring into

Really? Have you noticed that many P&S camers can do video? How's
that worked out for this exciting "new" medium?

With the lenses that those have...

What do you think?

Two things... one, you're trolling and two, I'm interested in
shooting STILL images and will be unhappy if Canon starts adding in
video features to their "prosumer" line since I feel it will detract
from development of things that would enhance the STILL photography
features.

Time will tell what Canon thinks. Of course, you may not ever find a need to shoot video. Do you really think nobody else who uses DSLRs will try?

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I suggest as this appears to be an entry level type feature this is where it will be introduced.
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Again, I think it's the lenses that will make the difference for most people. DSLR photography is booming because it has become increasingly accessible to people in the last few years. People now appreciate the value of their lenses and what they can bring to their photography. I think video just allows people even more avenues for creativity, and with it enjoyment and satisfaction.

tbrandao wrote:

higher MP, 6 fps in photo mode and so on. All of you that want
video on a supurb still camera are nuts. Buy a P/S ! Or Video camera,
they about the size of my fist now. Sorry, just my 2cents.

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desmondism wrote:

I'm an amateur Nikon user, and have been since I sold my EOS 300D to
get the D70s. I've held on to it to this day, and will buy Nikon in
the future.

I think the video feature (720p HD, 24 fps) of the new D90 is
promising, but there's a lot of room for improvement. However, even
though I have close to zero video experience, I still think there's a
lot of creativity that can be served by having a DSLR — and it's
variety of lens choices — that has video capability, even one without
AF or a faster frame rate. Personally, I've been thinking of
upgrading since the D200 was announced, but haven't mainly because of
budget. It will eventually happen, though, and when it does, video
will be a feature I would like in my DLSR.

I think Canon will definitely come out with a DLSR with video
capability in the future, especially since it has more expertise in
it than Nikon does. I think many other manufacturers will have it in
their DLSRs as well (Sony would probably be an early adopter). Being
who they are, and what they are capable of, though, I think Canon is
best positioned (apart from Nikon, now) to have it in the next round
of models.

For sake of discussion, I'd just like to know which EOS line you
think will first introduce video. Would it be the EOS xxD, xxxD, or
xxxxD? EOS xD, perhaps? Also, do you think it would come in the next
round of refreshes? I certainly think so. I think Nikon will have it
in the successor to the D300, as well as in the pro-grade models,
much like Live View is in all the newest models.

I think the EOS 500D (if that's what the successor to the 450D is
called) would... no, should... have video. I also think Canon will
have a much better implementation of this than the D90 does (I'm
thinking stereo audio, selectable frame rates, more resolution
options, maybe AF, and longer clips).

Sorry if I'm posting this in a Canon forum... I don't intend to start
a war or anything. I just think the D90 is an exciting development
for Canon users. Regardless of what some people think, the video
capability of the D90 will be a hit, and Canon will definitely want
to have a piece of the action. One really wonders why they don't have
it yet. I'm thinking they've been developing something ever since (or
even before) Live View was introduced in their cameras. It just so
happens Nikon came out with a video-capable DLSR first.

I honestly can't wait to see what people will begin to put up on
their sites, and all the different ideas and views they'll bring into
their photography/videography/media... Imagine what a guy with a
variety of lenses can do with a video-capable DSLR and go to a shoot
and come back with many different perspectives, both photo and video,
of a subject. Even just the thought of a fisheye and a macro lens
used for photos and videos would surely give viewers a new
experience. An imagine the satisfaction of creating with them...

What do you think?

Cheers,
Adrian

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If you can believe rumours it will be the 5DII (or whatever it will be called)

http://gizmodo.com/5043240/unconfirmed-more-canon-eos-5d-mark-ii-specs-leak-lookin-good
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What do you think about a photojournalist working on a photoessay, and who uses something like a 40D, or 1DIII? A lot of PJs put out their work on websites (of newspapers, etc). If the same PJ could get a different view (video) of, say, a slum area or some other assignment where bringing along more equipment or personnel is just not practical or necessary, aside from his photos, don't you think that can add to the appeal of his story?

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I suggest as this appears to be an entry level type feature this is
where it will be introduced.
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Looking at fresh rumors: some say the 5DII will have video recording already, I don't find that too probable though. More believable rumors point towards the 500D, next PMA. This is where I'd put my money.

We yet have to see if/when will these features move up to the pro line. According to Canon's history, sensor gadgets (such as LV, dust shaking, etc) move upwards very carefully.

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zape wrote:

Looking at fresh rumors: some say the 5DII will have video recording
already, I don't find that too probable though. More believable
rumors point towards the 500D, next PMA. This is where I'd put my
money.

We yet have to see if/when will these features move up to the pro
line. According to Canon's history, sensor gadgets (such as LV, dust
shaking, etc) move upwards very carefully.

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LV first appeared in the 1DIII & moved down. to 40D, XSi & now 1000D.
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I am not sure which one will be the first - probably it will be in the XXXD line though. It is a feature that attracts consumers mostly, I would think.

In the long run I think we will likely see a new line of hybrid video/still cameras. I would think that the current line of still cameras will continue to exist, perhaps some will have simple but not very optimized video capabilities. This will be the line of cameras that most readers of this forum would be interested in.

In addition, I think we will see a new line of video cameras that take EF/EF-S lenses, but builds on a new form factor that is more similar to current video cameras. These cameras will be as much video cameras as still cameras, if not more There are several reasons for this.

The first is technical and practical. Video in high resolutions needs more storage space. A mirror mechanism serves no purpose for a video camera. With just LCD viewfinder, there is no need for a pentaprism. Autofocus must work differently because it must allow focus to change in other patterns. It needs good sound recording capabilities. And so on.

The second is that shooting video is something quite different from snapping pictures. I would think consumers are the ones that are most interested in doing both, while enthusiasts and professionals need better adapted equipment to perform well. And photo-interested amateurs with only shallow interest in video would prefer dedicated equipment for their specific interest.

I see the D90 as the first step in a long evolution of digital video cameras with interchangable lenses with this heritage. Right now no-one really knows what are the weak points with D90 video. But you can count on it being lacking in more fundamental ways than 9 point autofocus is worse than 11 point autofocus. D90 is historical because it is first. But in time its capabiliites will be seen as very rudamentary.

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Show me where is it written that only Canon owners may post in this forum. The OP is not a troll.

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desmondism wrote:
Again, I think it's the lenses that will make the difference for most
people. DSLR photography is booming because it has become
increasingly accessible to people in the last few years. People now
appreciate the value of their lenses and what they can bring to their
photography. I think video just allows people even more avenues for
creativity, and with it enjoyment and satisfaction.

tbrandao wrote:

higher MP, 6 fps in photo mode and so on. All of you that want
video on a supurb still camera are nuts. Buy a P/S ! Or Video camera,
they about the size of my fist now. Sorry, just my 2cents.

Tony B.

I agree that video has it's own creative aspect. I'm just concerned that adding video to a DSLR minimizes it's IQ. I would like to see a solid state Hardrive as a camera standard eliminating the need for cards, but that's for another discussion.

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Most likely it will be Canon's next Rebel as that's the model that would appeal most SLR newbie graduates from p&s as they will probably be the ones to whom video will appeal the most. No attraction to me at all as I'm 'the right tool for the right job' type and not a fan of the Swiss Army knife approach.

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Video doesn't belong in a DSLR.

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