I demand a movie mode!

Started Aug 27, 2008 | Discussions
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Doug Pardee
Doug Pardee Veteran Member • Posts: 8,023
Speaking of fixed focus...

At least according to Rob Galbraith, the D90 is pretty limited in movie mode:

• fixed focus or manual focus only
• aperture priority only, f/8 max f-number (minimum aperture)
• preset WB only, no AWB and no changing WB during filming
• no digital zoom, but lens zoom of course works
• very limited audio capture

Ref for above: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-9314-9569

Wot, no Raw movies????

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thanos Regular Member • Posts: 300
TROLL ALERT (n/t)
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subukt OP Forum Member • Posts: 65
Re: Speaking of fixed focus...

Doug Pardee wrote:

At least according to Rob Galbraith, the D90 is pretty limited in
movie mode:

• fixed focus or manual focus only
• aperture priority only, f/8 max f-number (minimum aperture)
• preset WB only, no AWB and no changing WB during filming
• no digital zoom, but lens zoom of course works
• very limited audio capture

Ref for above:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-9314-9569

Wot, no Raw movies????

That is acceptable, because it's the FIRST dslr to offer that. They are probably testing the market response for such feature and if it will be successful, they will make it much more usable the next time.

thanos Regular Member • Posts: 300
The good thing with movie mode...

... is that all the Nikon trolls will start playing with video and depart these forums for some videographer forums elsewhere. So I hope they'll leave us photographers alone here.

GO AWAY TROLLS!!!

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Mirfak Senior Member • Posts: 1,317
Re: I demand a movie mode!

subukt wrote:

GreenPig wrote:

If you really want movie mode you have two options .... go and buy a
dedicated video camera or get a Nikon D90 (when it hits the shelves)

  • the first DSLR with movie mode. Just be ready with spare memory

cards.

I have all canon mount lens, so I can't do that. Also, d90 is
substantially bigger than xx0d form. I don't want that.

I think d90 has already established that new DSLRs (at least the
lower end) must include movie mode the same way as they all support
live view. After live view, it was only a matter of time who would do
it first.

Wait for the 500D. It'll use the Digic4 processor, which has native video processing capabilities. You'll have HD video, AF in video mode, recording until your memory card is full, time-lapse recording, Dolby Digital 5.1 audio recording, a MIC port for an external microphone, HDMI out etc. You'll have to live without an articulating LCD though.

PerL Forum Pro • Posts: 13,403
Re: Speaking of fixed focus...

Doug Pardee wrote:

At least according to Rob Galbraith, the D90 is pretty limited in
movie mode:

• fixed focus or manual focus only
• aperture priority only, f/8 max f-number (minimum aperture)
• preset WB only, no AWB and no changing WB during filming
• no digital zoom, but lens zoom of course works
• very limited audio capture

The thing is, for high quality film work you often dont use any of this. You dont use AF because you dont want the focus to shift around.
You want to control the DOF - no aperture shifting in a scene,
You dont want the exposure to change during a scene - you can lock it.
You dont want the WB to shift during a scene.
You capture audio with a separate device.

Look at a real motion picture and try see if they use AF, AWB or auto-exposure in a scene.

Ref for above:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-9314-9569

Wot, no Raw movies????

Tom Meeks Senior Member • Posts: 2,942
It's innevitable.

It's not IF, it's WHEN.

The naysayers can cry all they want and tout this or that technical hurdle. But, in the end they will be left pouting in their beer.

All video is, when it comes down to it, is a series of still images with very low overhead synced audio.

What it will ULTIMATELY lead to is low-cost 3-chip still cameras... and, that is going to rock the camera world as sharpness and color becomes so much more accurate and nuanced by being able to throw away all the artifacts and algorythms used in constructing images from Bayer Pattern chips.

subukt wrote:

Now you see, when there will be a live view... there will be a movie
mode, as it is just capturing it to card instead just outputing it to
LCD.

All the haters of it can buy some stock of older cameras, so they can
still feel pro by not having the movie mode.

To the rest of us, next Canon in this class must support a movie
mode! At best with manual controls that we are used to when shooting
images.

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refrax Forum Member • Posts: 86
Attention Canon, we want...

A dSLR with an MP3 player, internet browser, 3D movie mode with surround sound and a touchscreen navigation system.

Seriously folks, movie mode is a joke on a dSLR. Get a videocam. I don't even use it on my P+S.

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subukt OP Forum Member • Posts: 65
Re: Speaking of fixed focus...

PerL wrote:

Doug Pardee wrote:

At least according to Rob Galbraith, the D90 is pretty limited in
movie mode:

• fixed focus or manual focus only
• aperture priority only, f/8 max f-number (minimum aperture)
• preset WB only, no AWB and no changing WB during filming
• no digital zoom, but lens zoom of course works
• very limited audio capture

The thing is, for high quality film work you often dont use any of
this. You dont use AF because you dont want the focus to shift around.
You want to control the DOF - no aperture shifting in a scene,
You dont want the exposure to change during a scene - you can lock it.
You dont want the WB to shift during a scene.
You capture audio with a separate device.
Look at a real motion picture and try see if they use AF, AWB or
auto-exposure in a scene.

Ref for above:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-9314-9569

Wot, no Raw movies????

Exactly. It's DSLR so we want full control like we have with images.

leroyvanhee Senior Member • Posts: 1,828
Re: I demand a movie mode!

GreenPig wrote:

If you really want movie mode you have two options .... go and buy a
dedicated video camera or get a Nikon D90 (when it hits the shelves)

  • the first DSLR with movie mode. Just be ready with spare memory

cards.

Most (if not all) camcorders record in interlaced format (ie 1080i for HD). However, most (if not all) HD displays (TVs, computer) play progressive format (ie 720p or 1080p). So, the interlaced recordings must be converted to progressive format to display them. That causes the two half frames taken 1/60 sec apart to be merged into one frame. The result is blurred motion.

Most still cameras that record HD video do it in progressive format. So no blurred motion but they have been high noise devices (apparently caused by the CCD sensor) and they are typically over compressed to suit the recording memory.

I see that the Nikon D90 uses a CMOS sensor unlike the D80, D60, etc. That's good but what's up with the 24fps? Also, it remains to be seen what their compression will do to quality.

John West Junior Member • Posts: 26
Re: Attention Canon, we want...

Let's see...

Who wants a car when we have horses.
No one will need more than 640k of memory.
Amiga was better, and should have won.

Come on, guys. It amazes me that some people are so willing to criticize a new feature, calling it a joke, unnecessary, an added expense, etc. Just because someone is paranoid doesn't mean they're not being followed, and just because point and shoots have a feature doesn't mean it must be wrong for it to be on a dSLR. I mean, especially a feature like this. If Canon puts it on their cameras, how will it impact anyone negatively? If you don't like it, don't use it, and it won't affect you one iota. So we should be celebrating that technology continues to advance in ways that allow us to have this kind of feature with no real added cost. As we've all seen in technology, prices continue to go down, while features continue to go up. What's wrong with that?

Is it possible some people are simply jealous that Nikon has done it first? I have an original Digital Rebel, as well as an SD300 p+s, and have been thinking about upgrading. While I'll stay in the Canon camp (lens collection), to be honest, the D90, on paper, anyway, looks pretty amazing. Kudos to Nikon to upping the ante. We should be glad that vendors aren't resting on their laurels, but are actively pursuing ways to improve their products. If this motivates Canon to do the same, then we all win. Isn't that how we want it to be?

John

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John West

Flying Fish Veteran Member • Posts: 4,473
Oy!

Gail, if your DSLR could do everything your compact P&S does, and do it as well, and also could do everything a DSLR does, also well, would you like it less or more than you like your current DSLR?

FF

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Flying Fish Veteran Member • Posts: 4,473
Only if you're not post-rational

And my title for this comment makes sense only if you watch MSNBC, if then. But John is right. I've long wondered why the stock answer has been "DSLRs don't have movie mode." I love that my Canon PowerShot A 720 IS has movie mode, even if I use it only twice a year. Unless a feature compromises some other aspect of performance, as some people claim high pixel counts do, then what's the problem? I'm waiting for a digicam that makes phone calls and gets the Internet. Oh, you say, there already are such devices?

FF

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mike_2008 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,635
Re: Attention Canon, we want...

You're just wrong buddy, video with SLR lenses on a 999 dollar body is anything but a joke.

I wonder how many of you guys will be quiet/cheering if Canon put video on the 5Dmk2...

refrax wrote:

A dSLR with an MP3 player, internet browser, 3D movie mode with
surround sound and a touchscreen navigation system.

Seriously folks, movie mode is a joke on a dSLR. Get a videocam. I
don't even use it on my P+S.
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Tom Meeks Senior Member • Posts: 2,942
Leave off the Touch Screen Navigation system.

I HATE the Sony consumer video camera controls. But, if you could replace it with all those things AND a chocolate shake maker, I'm in!!!

refrax wrote:

A dSLR with an MP3 player, internet browser, 3D movie mode with
surround sound and a touchscreen navigation system.

Seriously folks, movie mode is a joke on a dSLR. Get a videocam. I
don't even use it on my P+S.
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leroyvanhee Senior Member • Posts: 1,828
Extracting 1 or 2 megpixel photos shot at 30 /sec

I want the capability of taking 1 (720p) or 2 (1080p) mega-pixel photos at the rate of 30 per sec. with dslr quality. What's wrong with that? We're not there yet, but it's coming. (I guess you could play them as a video if you wish.)

refrax Forum Member • Posts: 86
Re: Attention Canon, we want...

mike_2008 wrote:

You're just wrong buddy, video with SLR lenses on a 999 dollar body
is anything but a joke.

Adding too many features to a good product can get very ugly...

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DougH Senior Member • Posts: 1,066
Re: Oy!

It depends if the P&S add-ons add anything to the price and if they in any way compromise the DSLR functions.

exp1orer
exp1orer Senior Member • Posts: 2,813
joke?! you must be joking...

http://chsvimg.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/d90/en/d-movie/

mike_2008 wrote:
You're just wrong buddy, video with SLR lenses on a 999 dollar body
is anything but a joke.

I wonder how many of you guys will be quiet/cheering if Canon put
video on the 5Dmk2...

refrax wrote:

A dSLR with an MP3 player, internet browser, 3D movie mode with
surround sound and a touchscreen navigation system.

Seriously folks, movie mode is a joke on a dSLR. Get a videocam. I
don't even use it on my P+S.
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artistlies Junior Member • Posts: 35
Re: I demand a movie mode!

I don't want to pay for them to spend time and money adding in a feature that I don't want. If I want to take movies, I'll buy a digital camcorder that will do the job right.

This isn't "hating" -- it's wanting more than a swiss army camera.

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