D90 Pictures

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Poppa
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D90 Pictures
Aug 25, 2008

Looks like the Target.com web page that showed the Nikon D90 has been taken down. However just before it went down the following photos were available.

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In reply to Poppa, Aug 25, 2008

http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/25/enjoy--official-d90-pictures.aspx

It looks exactly like the D80. Well, the D80 has, likely, the best ergo among non-pro cameras in the market, why change!?
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In reply to rhlpetrus, Aug 25, 2008

rhlpetrus wrote:

http://nikonrumors.com/2008/08/25/enjoy--official-d90-pictures.aspx

It looks exactly like the D80. Well, the D80 has, likely, the best
ergo among non-pro cameras in the market, why change!?
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Now has the Multi selector with the OK button in its centre, like the D40

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SD cards like D80, No AF-C on a body switch need to go to menu like D80, and biggest question is 11AF is CAM2000 or CAM1000 ???? IF and thats is big IF its CAM2000 it will be a biggest seller yet as with this price point most that never had a chance to have class act AF will in this D90 but I'm 99% sure it will be just plain vanilla CAM1000.
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rhlpetrus wrote:

It looks exactly like the D80.

I don't know, it looks awfully small, much smaller than the D80.

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In reply to Poppa, Aug 26, 2008

One of the lenses pictured is the 18-55, is the other one the rumored 17-105VR. Looks fairly compact.

What we want to know. What 11 point AF systems does Nikon currently have in the parts bin? CAM 2000, CAM 1000?

Also, the 420 segment metering, is there a similar meter employed in the current D80?

It will be a great deal if the AF and meter are worthy components.

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Re: 11 pt AF....Metering
In reply to Matsu, Aug 26, 2008

Matsu wrote:

One of the lenses pictured is the 18-55, is the other one the rumored
17-105VR. Looks fairly compact.

What we want to know. What 11 point AF systems does Nikon currently
have in the parts bin? CAM 2000, CAM 1000?

Possibly the same old 11pt system as per the D80, But I would like to see a newer system with all AF points being cross type instead of just the center one. Other manufacturers are starting to go this way now.

Also I see it has face detection. Apparently the D300 and D3 have a sort of FD, but not advertised as such. From the reviews I have seen they do seem to be able to locate and focus onto eyes.

Also, the 420 segment metering, is there a similar meter employed in
the current D80?

Probably a simialr system to the D80 but updated.

I believe the D80, D40 D40x and D60 all use this system, but it seems to have been getting constant tweaks as each new cam comes onto the market. I think we will see it working better in the D90 than it did on the 2 yr old D80.

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In reply to Tianium, Aug 26, 2008

The D60 AF system already seems faster than the D80's. Since this one is 4.5fps, I'd think the AF has been updated accordingly to be able to keep focus in dynamic mode.

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Re: 11 pt AF....Metering
In reply to Tianium, Aug 26, 2008

Tianium wrote:

Matsu wrote:

What we want to know. What 11 point AF systems does Nikon currently
have in the parts bin? CAM 2000, CAM 1000?

I would be shocked if it is a straight reuse of a 2+ year old AF system. This is just not the way things work in high-tech (usually). I suspect that they will take the plain vanilla CAM1000, add tweaks, and call it CAM1010 or some such.

Possibly the same old 11pt system as per the D80, But I would like to
see a newer system with all AF points being cross type instead of
just the center one. Other manufacturers are starting to go this way
now.

I doubt it. The D300 has 15 cross AF points, they may add 2-3 crosses, if any.

Also, the 420 segment metering, is there a similar meter employed in
the current D80?

Probably a simialr system to the D80 but updated.

Please, pretty please Nikon, take that D80 meter and bury it somewhere at the R&D center where the sun never shines. It deserves a violent death

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SD cards like D80, No AF-C on a body switch need to go to menu like
D80, and biggest question is 11AF is CAM2000 or CAM1000 ????

AF mode on the D80 is changed by pressing a button near the shutter release that cycles through AF-A/AF-S/AF-C. This action can also be assigned to the function button on the front of the body. Personally, I like both of these better than the three-way switch on the D200/D300, which I find is too easy to switch into the wrong setting.

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BoyOhBoy wrote:

I would be shocked if it is a straight reuse of a 2+ year old AF
system. This is just not the way things work in high-tech (usually).
I suspect that they will take the plain vanilla CAM1000, add tweaks,
and call it CAM1010 or some such.

If the part works well, why not raid the parts bin? I don't think anyone ever complained about Nikon's D1-D2 series AF. But it may be too expensive to implement, who knows? Not me, likely accountants or engineers, or people who run product development could answer.

Probably a simialr system to the D80 but updated.

Please, pretty please Nikon, take that D80 meter and bury it
somewhere at the R&D center where the sun never shines. It deserves
a violent death

Was it that bad? Which part of it exactly? If a similar system is in use in the D40x and D60, were the issues effectively resolved by then? I don't recal reading a lot of complaint from those users...

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Was it that bad? Which part of it exactly? If a similar system is in use in the D40x and > D60, were the issues effectively resolved by then? I don't recal reading a lot of > complaint from those users...

I believe that he is referring to the D80 Matrix metering system, which was much maligned by people who are overly-dependent on the camera to make exposure decisions for them...

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Tianium wrote:

Possibly the same old 11pt system as per the D80, But I would like to
see a newer system with all AF points being cross type instead of
just the center one. Other manufacturers are starting to go this way
now.

As long as they don't follow Canon's practice of having the cross-type sensor revert to a single-plane sensor at speeds slower than f/5.6. I'm sure there is an engineering reason for that, and/or a cost concideration, but I find that I shoot a lot at f/8 and I don't see why I should to lose focusing capibilities just because I want the added DOF that f/8 affords. Heck, the 450D only has one cross-type (the center one naturally) but only at speed of f/2.8 and faster, and the 1Ds MK-II has 19 cross-type and none of them work as cross-type below f/2.8.
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Looks like CircuitCity jumped the gun as well...
In reply to Poppa, Aug 26, 2008

CircuitCity now has the D90 kit up for preorder with the expected release date September 5th.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=216714&c=1

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Brooks P wrote:

As long as they don't follow Canon's practice of having the
cross-type sensor revert to a single-plane sensor at speeds slower
than f/5.6. I'm sure there is an engineering reason for that, and/or
a cost concideration, but I find that I shoot a lot at f/8 and I
don't see why I should to lose focusing capibilities just because I
want the added DOF that f/8 affords. Heck, the 450D only has one
cross-type (the center one naturally) but only at speed of f/2.8 and
faster, and the 1Ds MK-II has 19 cross-type and none of them work as
cross-type below f/2.8.

The f-stops noted for the cross-type sensor to work are the maximum aperture of the lens, not the aperture being used. The lens is wide open for metering and AF until the shutter is released, at which point the aperture is changed to whatever the aperture is set to. This is why DOF preview is necessary.

So in the first example you gave, as long as the lens used is f/5.6 or faster, the AF sensor(s) will be cross-type. While it does make sense for the 1D/s series to have f/2.8 as a requirement for cross-type, it's ridiculous on the Rebel series, if true. How many Rebel users have f/2.8 lenses? Probably not the majority.

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In reply to sat968, Aug 26, 2008

sat968 wrote:

CircuitCity now has the D90 kit up for preorder with the expected
release date September 5th.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=216714&c=1

Interesting to note that one of the features listed is HD movie mode @ 24fps. I hadn't seen any indication of whether it was HD or SD up to this point.

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binary_eye wrote:

The f-stops noted for the cross-type sensor to work are the maximum
aperture of the lens, not the aperture being used. The lens is wide
open for metering and AF until the shutter is released, at which
point the aperture is changed to whatever the aperture is set to.
This is why DOF preview is necessary.

You are correct and I should have thought it through a little more, because I know that the lens is wide open when the metering takes place.

So in the first example you gave, as long as the lens used is f/5.6
or faster, the AF sensor(s) will be cross-type. While it does make
sense for the 1D/s series to have f/2.8 as a requirement for
cross-type, it's ridiculous on the Rebel series, if true. How many
Rebel users have f/2.8 lenses? Probably not the majority.

I based that on Phil's review, page 2.
"Auto Focus
• 9-point CMOS sensor
• Cross-type F2.8 at center *
• AF working range: -0.5 to 18 EV (at 23°C, ISO 100

  • New or changed compared to the EOS 400D / Digital Rebel XTi"

I doubt that too many of them do, like D40/50/60/70 owners, I suspect most are on a budget that precludes having a bag full of very fast lenses. The only fast lens I own is a 50f/1.8, if Nikon floowed suit the lens I use the most (70-300VR) wouldn't be fast enough for the center cross-type sensor to function in the cross-type mode.

I wonder how many people actually know that about Canon's cross-type sensors, I didn't know about it until I stumbled upon a post on the Canon forum while looking for something else.

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Re: have you seen this page
In reply to Michael Edward Rudge, Aug 26, 2008

circuit city now has the D90 for pre-order (with pictures. specs, price, etc.):

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/Search.do?c=1&searchType=user&keyword=nikon+d90&searchSection=All&go.x=13&go.y=9

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In reply to BoyOhBoy, Aug 26, 2008

ditto on the metering front..let the b$%^ die.
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