What to expect from Photokina

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jscoby05
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What to expect from Photokina
Aug 12, 2008

Canon 5D Mark II

  • 16.7 Megapixel FF sensor

  • Single Digic III Processor

  • ISO 100-3200 (Low: 50 + High 6400)

  • 6-8 fps - depending on grip

  • 3" High Resolution OLED LCD

  • will accept EF Lenses, not EF-S

  • 11 point AF

  • 35 Zone Metering

  • Viewfinder: 96 percent coverage .72 magnification

  • Pop up flash

  • New Lithium Ion Battery

  • Weather Sealing slightly better than 40D

Canon 50D

  • 12.2 Megapixel APS-C sensor

  • Single Digic III Processor

  • ISO 100-3200 (High 6400)

  • 6-8 fps depending on grip

  • 3" High Resolution OLED LCD

  • Will accept EF and EF-S Lenses

  • 11 point AF

  • 35 Zone metering

  • Viewfinder: 100 percent coverage .95 magnification

  • Pop up flash

  • New Lithium Ion Battery

  • Weather sealing slightly better than 40D

Lenses:
24-70mm f/2.8L IS
18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 IS

David_C
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I'm expecting complete disappointment...that way Canon might ....
In reply to jscoby05, Aug 12, 2008

surprise me.

I hope Canon splits the 5D into a 7D and a 3D

7D = 12MP FF, 5 FPS, full weather seal, great AF, lots of AF points on the rule of 3rd's, built in remote flash trigger, this will be Canons low light camera with big pixels and high ISO.

3D = 16 mp FF, 5 FPS, full weather seal, all the other goodies, this camera is for those who need more MP and are willing to give up some noise to get it, there for not as clean as the 7D at high ISO.

50D = 10 mp, 1.3 crop, full weather seal, great AF, 6 FPS. Also with big pixels for low light high ISO

Canon will disappoint me.

Dave

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Re: What to expect from Photokina
In reply to jscoby05, Aug 12, 2008

Unless Canon also adds a 3D, the 5D spec is nothing more than the warmed over 50D you also name. In which case, Canon will continue to lose the limelight and Nikon will continue to garnish all the attention. The 5D successor whether it be a 5Dmk2 or 7D can be pretty much those specs so long as a higher, middle range FF model is in there as well. The camera that everyone has been screaming for............the one Nikon built in the form of the D3.............the one Canon needs to build.........either a 3D or a FF 1Dmk3 continues not to be built by Canon. An all around FF DSLR for $4500 tops. The cropped 1Dmk3 was a mistake if you ask me. In light of the Nikon D3, a big mistake. It's very clear and up to this point Canon just doesn't get it. Lets hope they do in the next two months.

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You neglected to mention - Re: What to expect from Photokina
In reply to jscoby05, Aug 12, 2008

jscoby05 wrote:

Canon 5D Mark II

  • 16.7 Megapixel FF sensor

  • Single Digic III Processor

  • ISO 100-3200 (Low: 50 + High 6400)

  • 6-8 fps - depending on grip

  • 3" High Resolution OLED LCD

  • will accept EF Lenses, not EF-S

  • 11 point AF

  • 35 Zone Metering

  • Viewfinder: 96 percent coverage .72 magnification

  • Pop up flash

  • New Lithium Ion Battery

  • Weather Sealing slightly better than 40D

Canon 50D

  • 12.2 Megapixel APS-C sensor

  • Single Digic III Processor

  • ISO 100-3200 (High 6400)

  • 6-8 fps depending on grip

  • 3" High Resolution OLED LCD

  • Will accept EF and EF-S Lenses

  • 11 point AF

  • 35 Zone metering

  • Viewfinder: 100 percent coverage .95 magnification

  • Pop up flash

  • New Lithium Ion Battery

  • Weather sealing slightly better than 40D

Lenses:
24-70mm f/2.8L IS

18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 IS

This 18-200mm lens will most likely be an EF-S lens.

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jscoby05
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I think most will be in for a surprise
In reply to Seaclam, Aug 12, 2008

While I listed the specs, I didn't mention how good those specs would be. I think people will be amazed at how clean the high ISO of these cams are. The sensors will set these cameras apart. I have a canon XSi and although the metering, af, and build quality stink, the sensor is stellar. I am shocked what it could do with a 50mm 1.4 attached. The 5D Mark II ISO6400 will be as clean as the D3/D700, but will maintain much greater detail.

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Stefan Klein
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Re: You neglected to mention - Re: What to expect from Photokina
In reply to Oak and Acorn, Aug 12, 2008

Please tell us more about AF:
All cross-type?
Microadjustment?
Assist-points?

What about live view?

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Re: You neglected to mention - Re: What to expect from Photokina
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Stefan Klein wrote:

Please tell us more about AF:
All cross-type?
Microadjustment?
Assist-points?

What about live view?

I didn't ask anything more about the AF except it will include micro-adjustment. I didn't bother to mention live view, but both will have the same live view features as the XSi.

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In reply to jscoby05, Aug 12, 2008

if canon holds true to its announcement schedule that it has maintanined since 2004, the announcement of the new bodies will come the week of august 25. note that in 2004, the 20d was announced in august, and approximately two weeks later the 1ds2 announcement came ---in any event it came before the start of photokina . expect a nikon announcement the same week in august, but a day or two later.

as far as the 50d, if the sensor is 12mps, then once again canon will be perceived as lagging, as sony, samsung and pentax have 14mp's aps-c bodies on the market.

photokina will be interesting as expectations are high for a high mp offering from both sony and nikon.

the af system you have outlined, appears to be a variant of the current 5d af with two more points added, and the metering system if it is 35 segments, is more or less the same. i would hope with the update of the 580 and now the 430 that canon will update the st-e2 and/or give us wireless control capability built into the camera. pins to handle gps would also be welcomed as well. i will also assume that htp will carry over as well as the auto optimization feature found on the xsi.
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jscoby05 wrote:

Canon 5D Mark II

  • 16.7 Megapixel FF sensor

  • Single Digic III Processor

  • ISO 100-3200 (Low: 50 + High 6400)

  • 6-8 fps - depending on grip

  • 3" High Resolution OLED LCD

  • will accept EF Lenses, not EF-S

  • 11 point AF

  • 35 Zone Metering

  • Viewfinder: 96 percent coverage .72 magnification

  • Pop up flash

  • New Lithium Ion Battery

  • Weather Sealing slightly better than 40D

Canon 50D

  • 12.2 Megapixel APS-C sensor

  • Single Digic III Processor

  • ISO 100-3200 (High 6400)

  • 6-8 fps depending on grip

  • 3" High Resolution OLED LCD

  • Will accept EF and EF-S Lenses

  • 11 point AF

  • 35 Zone metering

  • Viewfinder: 100 percent coverage .95 magnification

  • Pop up flash

  • New Lithium Ion Battery

  • Weather sealing slightly better than 40D

Lenses:
24-70mm f/2.8L IS
18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 IS

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Claire Dupuis
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Sounds very probable...
In reply to 3cameras, Aug 12, 2008

I have NO idea whether your predicitions are reliable, but they sound very plausible.

I'd definitely be interested in the 5D MkII, which will not be revolutionary at all, but have an issue with the body size. Same as 40D or same as orginal 5D. I know it's a very small difference on paper, but holding both in real life the 5D/360D was fine and the 40D was just big, bulky and wrong to me.
ANY clue to the body size ?

Also, is OLED technology for the LCD the same that is used on the current nice Nikon/Sony screens ?

I don't care for the pop-up flash but don't mind it either since I'll just ignore it. Of course the price tag will determine what I do !! Any idea on that ?

Keep the infos coming, they sound pretty plausible

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Re: I think most will be in for a surprise
In reply to jscoby05, Aug 12, 2008

Much more detail...? Have you used a 5D MKII or D3 or D700? So how do you know oh wise one?
Tony

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Re: I think most will be in for a surprise
In reply to jscoby05, Aug 12, 2008

jscoby05 wrote:
I have a canon
XSi and although the metering, af, and build quality stink, the
sensor is stellar. I am shocked what it could do with a 50mm 1.4
attached.

I also have an XSi at the moment and I'd be plenty happy with a similar feature set, except with bigger AF points. It has indeed amazed me and gone far beyong any expectations I had for it !
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WHY....
In reply to Claire Dupuis, Aug 12, 2008

.....do people start such stupid "going no-where" threads like this?

What is the point?

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Re: I think most will be in for a surprise
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tissunique wrote:

Much more detail...? Have you used a 5D MKII or D3 or D700? So how do
you know oh wise one?
Tony

I have used both the D3 and D300 and find noise reduction to be heavy handed. However, I am sure you think that I am biased in this regard. I have not used the 5D Mark II, but am told that it will maintain Canon's tradition of light noise reduction to maintain detail.

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In reply to Colin Key, Aug 12, 2008

Colin Key wrote:

.....do people start such stupid "going no-where" threads like this?

What is the point?

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People want to know. I'd want to know. If you don't want to know then please ignore, as I do with 98% of the rumor threads.

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Claire Dupuis
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Keep the infos coming !
In reply to jscoby05, Aug 12, 2008

Ignore the haters, infos sound good and I'd love to hear about the specs I listed in my previous post, assuming you'd know about them.

Thanks for the info

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Nothing unexpected
In reply to jscoby05, Aug 12, 2008

These specs for the 5D replacement are pretty much what I'm looking for (i.e. a full frame 50D). BUT, considering that it would be out-specced by D700 in almost all aspects except resolution I expect it to be priced significantly lower.

Pricing it anywhere near the D700 would be laughable and further erode Canon's market share IMO.

I'm sure a lot of people looking for a more 'professional' 5D would be disappointed as well.

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Claire Dupuis
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I'd rather have..
In reply to Rubio, Aug 12, 2008

.. lower specs than the D700 at a much lower price point. The specs cited in the OP would be fine for me if priced right, but of course I WOULD very well understand people willing to pay more and needing higher specs would be bitterly disappointed. What Canon needs to do (and might very well) is split the did sized FF line, with two disctinct bodies I'll just have the cheap one !
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In reply to Rubio, Aug 12, 2008

How shall one digic 3 be able to process 133,6 MP/sec (8fps/16,7MP),
while a 1DS MK3 needs 2 digic 3 to process 105 MP7sec?
Very strange.

Didn't the 5D already have 15 AF points (assists included).....and now ...only 11?

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In reply to Claire Dupuis, Aug 12, 2008

Yeah, offer two versions of the FF with different bodies and certain feaures. Small body (optional grip) and large body.
Thats what I want

Claire Dupuis wrote:

.. lower specs than the D700 at a much lower price point. The specs
cited in the OP would be fine for me if priced right, but of course I
WOULD very well understand people willing to pay more and needing
higher specs would be bitterly disappointed. What Canon needs to do
(and might very well) is split the did sized FF line, with two
disctinct bodies I'll just have the cheap one !
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