Hope: Nikon Coolpix 9400

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Mayank Bhatnagar
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Hope: Nikon Coolpix 9400
May 10, 2008

This is hope, pure hope:

This PMA, Nikon will resume its line of prosumer Coolpix cameras after almost two years of consistently producing some of most unremarkable compact cameras in the company's history. The camera will update the Coolpix 8400/8800 line (at last) and have the following features:

  • Type 2/3 CMOS sensor

  • 28-280mm zoom

  • VR

  • Useable RAW with large buffer

  • 12mp

  • Command dial

  • Variable angle, large and hi-rez lcd

  • Compact size, would slip into large pockets

  • Metal body with the kind of ergonomics Nikon is known for

  • SD card

  • Built-in speedlight + flash hot shoe

  • Price: $499

It will become THE compact for serious photographers and give Sigma, Ricoh, Panasonic and Canon prosumer compacts a run for its money.

Hope, pure hope......

henryhscheng
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Re: Hope: Nikon Coolpix 9400
In reply to Mayank Bhatnagar, May 10, 2008

Nikon charged $899 for the 8400 and $999 for the 8800 back in 2004...think they will charge only $499 for a camera that covers the middle focal length (not quite wide but not quite long either)? Actually they can skip the body design part and use the old 8400/8800 body...

My shoulder wanted to kiss me last Thursday when I took the 8400 out for a test shot (went for a recon trip for the fireworks show coming up on Saturday)...it is almost getting used to the weight of the D40 and the 70-300VR...

Mayank Bhatnagar wrote:

This is hope, pure hope:

This PMA, Nikon will resume its line of prosumer Coolpix cameras
after almost two years of consistently producing some of most
unremarkable compact cameras in the company's history. The camera
will update the Coolpix 8400/8800 line (at last) and have the
following features:

  • Type 2/3 CMOS sensor

  • 28-280mm zoom

  • VR

  • Useable RAW with large buffer

  • 12mp

  • Command dial

  • Variable angle, large and hi-rez lcd

  • Compact size, would slip into large pockets

  • Metal body with the kind of ergonomics Nikon is known for

  • SD card

  • Built-in speedlight + flash hot shoe

  • Price: $499

It will become THE compact for serious photographers and give Sigma,
Ricoh, Panasonic and Canon prosumer compacts a run for its money.

Hope, pure hope......

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Re: Hope: Nikon Coolpix 9400
In reply to Mayank Bhatnagar, May 10, 2008

Mayank Bhatnagar wrote:

This is hope, pure hope:

This PMA, Nikon will resume its line of prosumer Coolpix cameras
after almost two years of consistently producing some of most
unremarkable compact cameras in the company's history. The camera
will update the Coolpix 8400/8800 line (at last) and have the
following features:

  • Type 2/3 CMOS sensor

  • 28-280mm zoom

  • VR

  • Useable RAW with large buffer

  • 12mp

  • Command dial

  • Variable angle, large and hi-rez lcd

  • Compact size, would slip into large pockets

  • Metal body with the kind of ergonomics Nikon is known for

  • SD card

  • Built-in speedlight + flash hot shoe

  • Price: $499

It will become THE compact for serious photographers and give Sigma,
Ricoh, Panasonic and Canon prosumer compacts a run for its money.

Hope, pure hope......

Just my 2 cents worth but if we're going to hope, let's make it a 24-90ish lens. 280mm on a PS is completely worthless and there are just way too many compromises on quality to produce a 10x zoom. That's why pro lens ratios are usually in the 2.5x range and rarely exceed 3x.

Also how about 6MP so the images will actually be usable in any conditions other than bright sunlight. Look at the success of the D3 which has a 35mm size sensor and "only" 12.1 MP. At 23.9 x 36 mm that sensor has an area of 860.4 mm^2 but a 2/3" sensor is 6.6 x 8.8 mm and has an area of only 58.08 mm^2.

This is a difference of 14.8:1; so the D3 only has 0.82 MP on that center 2/3" size sensor portion. That is the reason that ISO 3200 images from the D3 look astonishing. The MP race in PS is purely for marketing reasons and not quality. Now I'm not saying let's get 1 MP cameras, but bigger pixels are the key to good images in even moderate lighting conditions.

No doubt that engineers have made great advancements in minimizing noise on these small sensors but many times it's at the expense of fine detail. I would gladly buy a 5 - 6MP PS with a 2/3" sized sensor. I'll bet the images would be very nice based on what they've learned. File sizes would also be much more managable, especially since probably 99.9% of the images printed from a PS are 4" x 6" anyway.

Again just my 2 cents worth. We all have our wish list!!

Keith

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MrMojo
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Re: Hope: Nikon Coolpix 9400
In reply to ozarktroutfisher, May 10, 2008

I am with Keith... make the wide end 24mm and the long end no more than 105mm. Take the left-over engineering time/budget and develop a larger RAW buffer and quicker shot-to-shot times.

If my 8400 had the latter improvements I would be inclined to name it The Perfect Digicam.

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Mayank Bhatnagar
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In reply to ozarktroutfisher, May 11, 2008

Interesting points raised, thanks your point of views! Yes, 24mm on a P&S would be awesome. BTW, when using ACR to process RAW files, it is possible to open them in a smaller size, when both Sharpness and noise-wise, the image looks better. I often open my 12mp Canon G9 RAW images in ACR at the 7mp setting, some of the results are astonishing to say the least.

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Re: Don't write off 10x zooms just yet,
In reply to ozarktroutfisher, May 11, 2008

ozarktroutfisher wrote:

Mayank Bhatnagar wrote:

This is hope, pure hope:

This PMA, Nikon will resume its line of prosumer Coolpix cameras
after almost two years of consistently producing some of most
unremarkable compact cameras in the company's history. The camera
will update the Coolpix 8400/8800 line (at last) and have the
following features:

  • Type 2/3 CMOS sensor

  • 28-280mm zoom

  • VR

  • Useable RAW with large buffer

  • 12mp

  • Command dial

  • Variable angle, large and hi-rez lcd

  • Compact size, would slip into large pockets

  • Metal body with the kind of ergonomics Nikon is known for

  • SD card

  • Built-in speedlight + flash hot shoe

  • Price: $499

It will become THE compact for serious photographers and give Sigma,
Ricoh, Panasonic and Canon prosumer compacts a run for its money.

Hope, pure hope......

Just my 2 cents worth but if we're going to hope, let's make it a
24-90ish lens. 280mm on a PS is completely worthless and there are
just way too many compromises on quality to produce a 10x zoom.
That's why pro lens ratios are usually in the 2.5x range and rarely
exceed 3x.

Also how about 6MP so the images will actually be usable in any
conditions other than bright sunlight. Look at the success of the D3
which has a 35mm size sensor and "only" 12.1 MP. At 23.9 x 36 mm
that sensor has an area of 860.4 mm^2 but a 2/3" sensor is 6.6 x 8.8
mm and has an area of only 58.08 mm^2.

This is a difference of 14.8:1; so the D3 only has 0.82 MP on that
center 2/3" size sensor portion. That is the reason that ISO 3200
images from the D3 look astonishing. The MP race in PS is purely for
marketing reasons and not quality. Now I'm not saying let's get 1 MP
cameras, but bigger pixels are the key to good images in even
moderate lighting conditions.

No doubt that engineers have made great advancements in minimizing
noise on these small sensors but many times it's at the expense of
fine detail. I would gladly buy a 5 - 6MP PS with a 2/3" sized
sensor. I'll bet the images would be very nice based on what they've
learned. File sizes would also be much more managable, especially
since probably 99.9% of the images printed from a PS are 4" x 6"
anyway.

Again just my 2 cents worth. We all have our wish list!!

Keith

The 10x zoom on the 8800 is a superb piece of glass, tack sharp wide open from one end to the other.

Or how about the Sigma 50-500 (Bigma) ? While not quite as good as the 8800 it does deliver very respectable performance.

As has been said here many times before, if Nikon would just give the 8800 a faster engine and better low light focusing I'd buy the first one of the line.
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Re: Don't write off 10x zooms just yet,
In reply to Heinrich Lohmann, May 11, 2008

I would be interested in uprated 8400/8800. Faster focus and processing with (maybe) a couple of stops improvement with the lastest imagers, and a slightly larger LCD. Keep the same accessories, and I'd be a buyer.

tom

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In reply to Tom May, May 14, 2008

As a regular 8400 user, I love having the two (wide angle camera and long-zoom camera) be separate cameras.

Many's the day that I can go anywhere I want with the 'little' 8400 and not even be looked at twice....if they only knew the images I get without looking like a "professional".

Conversely, the barrel length that helps me keep the 8800 steady would be a real pain on the 8400.

Okay, you've definately got my hopes up.....fingers, toes and eyes crossed here waiting for the announcement.
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Michael Oersigh
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Re: Hope: Nikon Coolpix 9400
In reply to Mayank Bhatnagar, May 14, 2008

Unremarkable cameras? really? what's out there that's different. Are you just jumping on a bandwagon that seems to stutter every now and again. I notice the last I looked at samples being displayed on something like Pbase the Nikon P5000 looked a lot better than say the the Canon G9, that's remarkable if you are a not a Coolpix fan. Unfortunately I just had a look now they look pretty average now but not enough to fool the experienced. What happened? Did we have several automatic updates since then, who knows.

If Nikon produce a prosumer hopefully it will be something really useful that will tempt the serious photographer into producing more than just snapshot quality..

Mike

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