Sendai Nikon Preparation 2 new flagship DSLRs

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pirka
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Sendai Nikon Preparation 2 new flagship DSLRs
Apr 24, 2008

Sendai Nikon Preparation 2 new models.

1 is D3x 24Mpixel FX camera 6000$

2 is D10? FX camera 3.0LCD 3000$

2 camera arrive in this year.

Also Nikon Thailand Preparation D80 Successor(1000$) and more.

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Sounds awesome!

Good for Nikon if true, they are working hard at being on top once again.
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"D10" (??) Possibly competition for the 5D... perhaps the D3 sensor in a D300-type body (??)

I wonder...
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CamasJC wrote:

"D10" (??) Possibly competition for the 5D... perhaps the D3 sensor
in a D300-type body (??)

No way. That would kill the D3 itself!!!

The capabilities of the D300 are far too close to the D3 to create a camera in that spec. And why? If they dumb it down more, to perhaps a D60/D80 quality level, they can lower the price to take out the 5Dm2 or 7D, or whatever it ends up being called.

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What is Sendai Nikon? nt
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George

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In reply to pirka, Apr 25, 2008

Finally, some real juicy rumors. I wish we could hear about the new lenses in the works.

A while back, thom had said Nikon would let Canon introduce the MKIII and then trump it, then they owuld let Canon go first with the 1DsMKIII and then trump that, but he didn't mention the 5D killer!

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em_dee_aitch wrote:

No way. That would kill the D3 itself!!!

The capabilities of the D300 are far too close to the D3 to create a
camera in that spec. And why? If they dumb it down more, to perhaps
a D60/D80 quality level, they can lower the price to take out the
5Dm2 or 7D, or whatever it ends up being called.

The D200 didn't kill D2 sales and an FX sensor in a D300 style body with lesser features than the D3 is not going to kill sales either. In fact if this body came out I think it would cut far more into D300 sales than D3 sales.
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Re: What is Sendai Nikon? nt
In reply to Georgi, Apr 25, 2008

It's the main Nikon plant where the pro bodies are built.

The amateur and prosumer stuff (D60 -> D300) are built in Thailand.

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I think they can all co-exist nicely...

D300 $1,800 (prosumer-DX)
"D10" $3,000 (Prosumer-FX)
D3 $5,000 (Pro - FX- high iso)
D3x $6,000 (Pro - FX- high rez)

... one for every budget
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michaeladawson wrote:

em_dee_aitch wrote:

No way. That would kill the D3 itself!!!

The capabilities of the D300 are far too close to the D3 to create a
camera in that spec. And why? If they dumb it down more, to perhaps
a D60/D80 quality level, they can lower the price to take out the
5Dm2 or 7D, or whatever it ends up being called.

The D200 didn't kill D2 sales and an FX sensor in a D300 style body
with lesser features than the D3 is not going to kill sales either.
In fact if this body came out I think it would cut far more into D300
sales than D3 sales.

I would argue that Nikon was a different beast back then. Those of us who were shooting Canon at the time can't comprehend why you would buy either the D200 or the D2, so to say that they didn't cannibalize means little to me

OK, there was some kidding in that statement, but not much...

I think the key difference in the new hypothetical is that the D300 can capture 8 FPS in 12-bit RAW with the exact same AF system as the D3 and with nearly equal build quality. If you simply expanded the D300 style to FF, that just seems dangerously close to the D3's turf. The primary differentiator at that point would be the extra FPS and capability to go full speed at 14 bit.

But who knows. A year ago I wouldn't have guessed I'd be shooting Nikon.

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em_dee_aitch wrote:

I would argue that Nikon was a different beast back then. Those of us
who were shooting Canon at the time can't comprehend why you would
buy either the D200 or the D2, so to say that they didn't cannibalize
means little to me

OK, there was some kidding in that statement, but not much...

I think the key difference in the new hypothetical is that the D300
can capture 8 FPS in 12-bit RAW with the exact same AF system as the
D3 and with nearly equal build quality. If you simply expanded the
D300 style to FF, that just seems dangerously close to the D3's turf.
The primary differentiator at that point would be the extra FPS and
capability to go full speed at 14 bit.

I would agree that Nikon has to be careful in what specs they put into this rumored D10. 8 FPS on the D300? Isn't that only with the optional grip attached? And who says the D10 will go that high? There's the speed at 14 bits that you mention. In addition there is the dual CF slot difference. They could also put a lower spec AF system in the camera as well.

Who knows what they will do. But the problem in pricing you allude to is no different really than that faced by Canon. Yes, I know, there are differences. Canon's 1D MkIII is a 1.3x crop camera, not FX like the D3. But really, how does Canon price the new 5D/7D?

Only time will tell.

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D10 equals new FM10 ?
In reply to pirka, Apr 25, 2008

That would differentiate the camera enough from the D3 (and no AF would make it cheaper and smaller).

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In reply to pirka, Apr 25, 2008

No posts for 1.5 years and then suddenly the inside info (with pricing) of Nikons plans for new cameras.

I think I will save bandwidth and wait until some more reliable information is available.

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One of the reasons you're shooting Nikon now . .
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Hi David

It seems to me that ONE of the reasons that Nikon seem to be on so much of a roll at the moment is that every camera they make is the BEST POSSIBLE for the price - so, no dumbing down, no restricted firmware etc. Canon on the other hand have been much more careful to keep clear distinctions.

I think these rumours sound entirely convincing, but that might be simply that the OP has been reading Thom Hogan as well!

all the best

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em_dee_aitch wrote:

I think the key difference in the new hypothetical is that the D300
can capture 8 FPS in 12-bit RAW with the exact same AF system as the
D3 and with nearly equal build quality. If you simply expanded the
D300 style to FF, that just seems dangerously close to the D3's turf.

First, the 8 FPS is only with the battery grip.

Second, the D300 and the D3 have same AF system in terms of operation, but not in terms of performance. The D3 for one thing has vastly higher processor capacity, the AF performance is quite different between them (yes I have been shooting ice hockey with both, side by side, and they are very different beasts in terms of AF performance).

Third, try working for a few hours with a small body with a 300/2.8 or bigger lens attached, then you will be (quite literally) paining for a bigger sized camera body.

The primary differentiator at that point would be the extra FPS and
capability to go full speed at 14 bit.

And AF performance i general, and with older screw drive lenses in particular. And with body ergonomics -- A smaller camera with a separate battery grip never is as solid as a one-piece body. Then add stuff like dual CF slots (which would be much harder to add in a smaller body), extra lcd screen below the big one and many other small but not insignificant details.

But who knows. A year ago I wouldn't have guessed I'd be shooting Nikon.

If you always could easily and accurately predict what you would do a year from now you would live a rather boring life, right?

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Sounds like credible info...
In reply to pirka, Apr 25, 2008

...D300 alike FX sensor camera, to compete with the upcoming 5D successor
D3X or whatever it will be named for a high resolution FX camera...
...and a couple of new lenses...
I'm sure all this will be demonstrated @ photokina...
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Sounds like the only real info so far!
In reply to pirka, Apr 25, 2008

I know Nikon is good at keeping secrets but there has to be many workers in China/Japan who build these things and are privy to information that would blow your socks off!

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In reply to pirka, Apr 25, 2008

We know theres a d3x on the horizon, as for a D10 to compete with the Canon 5D??? probally, I only see the camera as having a FF sensor on the current d300 body. Then the d200 would get phased out. They couldnt really add too much more to the 5D rival or else the D3 would take a big hit. I think the d3 would take a hit regardless as you would get the great ISO and DR of the D3 in a smaller lightweight pkg. Either way, it points towards the future being Full Frame......Now where are the new primes!!!
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this rumor is based on what grounds ?

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