New Nikon Lens! (24mm T/S, 60mm micro and 16-85mm VR)

Started Jan 28, 2008 | Discussions
jarek leo
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Re: either a marketing error or a hoax
In reply to agnigodwin, Jan 28, 2008

I agree that unfortunately they won't. If I still take film photos my camera of preference is FM3a so I prefer lenses on which you can set aperture. My new favourite wide angle - the 14-24mm - cannot go with that camera. A great pity.
Jarek

agnigodwin wrote:

jarek leo wrote:

But this feature makes the 85mm PC usable on Nikon film cameras
requiring aperture to be set on the lens. I know, not a big deal for
most users on this forum but still... Also a plus for someone using
Nikkor lenses via adapter on Canon cameras.

I can see an argument for being able to use old lenses on new
bodies... but designing new lenses to fit old bodies? Think about it.

I don't believe Nikon would be overly concerned about their new lens
designs being inconvenient to use on their competitors cameras.

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Re: Price is a total joke if it's real
In reply to cacophony, Jan 29, 2008

my thoughts exactly
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robert hawara
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Re: Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR
In reply to David Banner, Jan 29, 2008

If this is really true, than it sucks. What a terrible set of lenses to introduce/upgrade.

I'm stupefied.

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Bernie Ess
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Re: either a marketing error or a hoax
In reply to Markogts, Jan 29, 2008

Markogts wrote:

But I NEVER found people waiting for T-S
lenses. So, the possibilities are just two:
a) this is a hoax
b) Nikon really needs to change marketing team

You have to worry for the others.

I changed to Canon 2y ago for FF and TS-E lenses, now Nikon makes both. I consider this fantastic. TS-E from Nikon is very interesting for me, specially if it is optically good.

bernie

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KeithF
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Re: either a marketing error or a hoax
In reply to Bernie Ess, Jan 29, 2008

The T/S lens are very welcome to nikon land. I am going to get one either 24 or 45 when it available. Great news.

Keith

Bernie Ess wrote:

Markogts wrote:

But I NEVER found people waiting for T-S
lenses. So, the possibilities are just two:
a) this is a hoax
b) Nikon really needs to change marketing team

You have to worry for the others.

I changed to Canon 2y ago for FF and TS-E lenses, now Nikon makes
both. I consider this fantastic. TS-E from Nikon is very interesting
for me, specially if it is optically good.

bernie

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smhagger
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Re: either a marketing error or a hoax
In reply to KeithF, Jan 29, 2008

I agree! After all my recent purchased have paid for themselves, I'll look at the new Tilt-shift lineup to pick one (or two) of those--possibly--as 'fun lenses' for macro and landscape...

Again, its a great time to shoot Nikon!

Sean

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Thisjustin
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No hoax :-D n/t
In reply to Markogts, Jan 29, 2008

nothing here.

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hendryaswin
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Is the new 60 2.8 ideal for portrait?
In reply to smhagger, Jan 29, 2008

I'm disapointed with the 3.5-5.6 for 16-85 new Nikkor, I hope that it would be fix f4 with VR. All I have to do now is stick with my Tamron 17-50 for this range because I can't afford Nikkor 17-55 yet, and there're no other lens that can give me better IQ within this range. However I'm very attract with the new AFS 60 f2.8G-ED N, and I wonder if this lens is suitable for wedding and model portrait. Now I always shoot portrait with my Tamron 17-50 and the I love the results, but I'm looking for portrait lens that is very sharp and very good contrast and can give me the best IQ. 85mm is great portrait lens, but with 1,5x crop factor, it's hard for me to shoot indoor. Any comment?
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Northland Jimmy
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Re: about prices
In reply to cacophony, Jan 29, 2008

Digital Camera Resource Page shows a listing of $649 for the 16-85 - available in March.

If it comes down to about $500 or so with better IQ than the 18-200 - I will be interested.

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anotherMike
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Re: Is the new 60 2.8 ideal for portrait?
In reply to hendryaswin, Jan 29, 2008

I used to shoot the older 60 micro for fashion and portraits - it was an extremely sharp lens at reasonable to closer distances (less than 12') but fell off performance wise beyond that to a point where I wouldn't use it for landscape or anything beyond that 12' range roughly. The problem though was that the lens had pretty horrendous bokeh and looking back it now, a kind of clinical quality that was more about sharpness and not so much about tonal transitions. I eventually switched to a 28-70/2.8 for this sort of work and while not as sharp as the micro, it rendered people better. Then I went to the 24-70/2.8 micro and it's as sharp (if not moreso) than the old micro but also renders people and tonal transitions wonderfully.

So the question is if the new 60 is going to perform excellently across the entire range or is it once again going to be better at closer distances, and then, assuming this time they get it working at all distances, will the bokeh and tonal rendering be better. I'm actually guessing it will be. But it's still a macro lens - not a portrait lens, so there are the issues of the lenses rendering characteristics possibly being not the perfect match for people - it may have "too much" contrast and punch for some folks. I'd probably bet it's going to be better for portraits than the old 60 though - Nikon seems to be doing pretty well with their newest lenses.

My only concern is that I was not that impressed with the Nikkor 105/2.8 VR - in my mind, that's the only lens they've introduced in the past few years that didn't imnpress me (I owned and have since sold mine) - it had a LOT of punch, but far too much CA for me to take it seriously, and honestly wasn't as sharp as it should have been - my 105/2 DC (which I still keep and use) is noticeably sharper stopped down, and with far better rendering for people as well. So I'm hoping it's just an anamoly - perhaps Nikon had to give up some lens quality on the 105 in order to stick VR in there (screw VR - I have no need or want for it if it messes up the image quality) and maybe they've learned something since then - it was a good lens, but certainly not a great lens by any means.

So if Nikon gets it "right" by not having any CA issues, having better tonal transitions compared to the original and having better bokeh - then heck yea, this likely would be a decent portrait lens. Maybe not the perfect one (since this is, really, a macro lens) - we'll likely have to wait for a redone 50 or something, but certainly a good one. But right now - it's obviously way too early to tell being the lens was just announced and nobody I know of has seriously shot with one to tell what it's capable of. But if it's as sharp as I think it's going to be - that might present some issues for portrait work (better keep your retouching skills up to grade folks!)

My best guess is that it will be a fine lens. Not sure if I need it given the amazing results I'm getting from my 24-70, but who knows, I might pick one up just to see what it does at some point.

-m

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smhagger
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Prices: 60mm micro: $549 US; 24 T/S: $1929 US
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hendryaswin
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Re: Is the new 60 2.8 ideal for portrait?
In reply to anotherMike, Jan 29, 2008

thanks Mike. I do also wait for some preview and sample from this new lens. Something I didn't noticed until now is the skin tonal. For years I assume good lens basically from their sharpnest without putting any attention on skin tonal. Is there any chart or number that can judge a good or bad skin tonal?
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AF-S 60mm Micro -- sharpness, tonality, and bokeh
In reply to anotherMike, Jan 29, 2008

The new 60mm Micro doesn't those "extra" VR lens elements (as does the 105 Micro VR) to mess up the bokeh, so it stands a chance to render decent people pictures. (We can safely assume that it'll be a sharp optic.)

This lens does two things for Nikon: (1) introduces a fast, standard focal length prime that'll autofocus with all their consumer DSLRs that don't have the focus "screwdriver" motor built in, namely the D40-D40x-D60 and future folllow-ons; and (2) achieves focal length and feature parity with Canon, whose EF-S 60mm USM macro has been on the market for more than a year.

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Re: AF-S 60mm Micro -- sharpness, tonality, and bokeh
In reply to snappur, Jan 29, 2008

Yet another slow consumer zoom, an AF-S macro that no=one was after and a complete absence of the fast sub-100mm primes that are screaming out for attention.

A chance missed, and one that continues to show glaring holes. They release a FF body and there's still no lens quicker than f2 below 50mm.

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Re: ISO 1600 v/s a fast lens
In reply to jcvjcvjcvjcv, Jan 29, 2008

jcvjcvjcvjcv wrote:

Get a D80, in my country you can buy them from as low as € 625, and
you can use the same 50mm F/1.8 prime. What's so expensive about that?

What country is that? You forgot to set it in your profile!

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Re: AF-S 60mm Micro -- sharpness, tonality, and bokeh
In reply to snappur, Jan 29, 2008

snappur wrote:

The new 60mm Micro doesn't those "extra" VR lens elements (as does
the 105 Micro VR) to mess up the bokeh, so it stands a chance to
render decent people pictures. (We can safely assume that it'll be a
sharp optic.)

Is there a problem with the 105/2.8 VR bokeh? Never noticed that in my shots...

BG

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Re: Price is a total joke if it's real
In reply to cacophony, Jan 29, 2008

cacophony wrote:

Who in their right mind would spend $900 - $1000 on this lens,
especially considering it's 5.6 at 85mm?!? This lens needs to be less
than $500 to be a success.

Not true, the Canon EF-S 17-85 IS USM has been a success. Now the price has been reduced a lot, but it started very expensive.

That's the price you pay for lenses that are complex, difficult to design tue to a really wide wide end, a > 5 zoom factor, and decent but not stellar optical quality. It is a VERY versatile kind of lens (I have the Canon on my Rebel XT/350D), and you pay for versatility.

best
Roberto

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Steven Noyes
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Great for landscape as well
In reply to Fabio Amodeo, Jan 29, 2008

TS is great for field work allowing for greater DOF at wider angles while at larger apertures. Up till now, Canon has had this uncontested with the same (almost) lineup.

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RobertMartinu
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Re: Price is a total joke if it's real
In reply to cacophony, Jan 29, 2008

Guess the eventual street price will be similar to the 24-120 of similar aparture.

After all its exactly the same feature set, the same group of buyers and so on...

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Same links. /nt
In reply to smhagger, Jan 29, 2008

smhagger wrote:

Not $900 and $2700 as some feared...

60mm micro:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1201579265.html

24 T/S lens:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1201579265.html

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