85L in the middle of the street

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Nilsa
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Hi Canerino :-)
In reply to canerino, Oct 22, 2007

It is a very nice photo... and so are most (if not all) of the photos in your gallery. But this particular photo does look strange at the street. The feet are in focus but the street looks as there are blurry spots where it should be focus. If you compare with...
http://www.pbase.com/anerino/image/82095236

... where the street is in perfect focus. I do have the 85L and have not yet this blurry spot effect on any of my photos, but I have seen it somewhere else (dont remeber where).

Is this something you have seen before or have any explaination of?

Thanks for sharing!

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In reply to Nilsa, Oct 22, 2007

Very sweet shot. Was it originally shot in raw? What did you process the raw with?
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Re: Hi Canerino :-)
In reply to Schwa, Oct 22, 2007

To clear up some confusion.

Thanks to some emails from friends on other forums, I went back to my original RAW image to see if I wasnt crazy (mind you this was 3 months ago). I had no idea this photo was causing so much controversy!

I did two versions of this photo (the one on the right in this composite).

AND

Here is the story. On the composite I posted here in this post, that is the original composition of the photo. I felt (and others) that I didnt leave him enough foot room and felt that the photo would benefit from more footroom. So I did some cloning of the asphalt to 'create' more room (the second photo I posted in this thread). That might explain some of the unnatural look around his feet.

I belong to several online photography communities and posted both versions in different forums. I forgot about the cloning on the ground for the inital version I posted here. I responded above before looking at the RAW. Clearly, I was wrong and mistaken about the version of the photo I initally posted here.

Once again, there is absolutely NO additional blurring on the background. I wouldnt even know how to go about doing that. Selecting the subject and glaussin blurring the background?

Anyway, sorry for any confusion I may have caused. I should have looked at the RAW before I posted. Hope this clears things up a bit.

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Matthew Thomas
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Thanks for clarifying this
In reply to canerino, Oct 22, 2007

It all makes sense now. The image is better compositedas you did. It was a good photographic decision in my opinion.

I agree the lense needs no additional blurring. That's the advantage of a FF camera. I don't shot FF (1.3x and 1.6) and don't quite get the degree of separation you can with the 5D. Very enticing for since the 5D price has just come down.

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Re: 85L in the middle of the street
In reply to canerino, Oct 22, 2007

can you post the unedited original?

that would make me reconsider the 85L vs 85/1.8 as a future purchase

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Re: 85L in the middle of the street
In reply to chinch, Oct 22, 2007

What more from the original do you expect to see? He posted the 2 images used to compositd the image, and none of the background blur is was part of the composite. The image you see is effectively unaltered besides the lower 5 percent.
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Re: 85L in the middle of the street
In reply to Matthew Thomas, Oct 22, 2007

Matthew Thomas wrote:

What more from the original do you expect to see? He posted the 2
images used to compositd the image, and none of the background blur
is was part of the composite. The image you see is effectively
unaltered besides the lower 5 percent.

full resolution undoctored would help me decide to save almost $1300 MORE for the 85L over time.

"the image you see" is shrunk down JPG for the web

that is not exactly asking too much is it???

either way maybe you can let the OP answer for himself

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Asking for RAW file is asking a lot
In reply to chinch, Oct 22, 2007

I mentioned earlier that the poster could post a RAW file to help clear up the issue of whether the pic was altered (and it was). It was suggested to help verify the OP's claim and that claim has since been clarified without the need to release the RAW file.

Asking for a RAW in order to help you decide whether you want to buy the lens is ask much more than this.

There are 1000's of images around the forum and elsewhere on this lens. There are many featuring smooth boken like this (although composed differently).

There are 100's of images featuring 100% crops of the lens wide open in more challenging techical situations. If you merely pickup a National Geographic, you'll see at least a few obvious samples using this lens in each issue. The quality is exceptional at wide apertures as long as the exposure isn't too over exposed in highlights.

I just don't understand how asking the OP to expose his unique RAW file to the general public (risking copyright violations) to help you make a decision that should be evident if you search is anything but invasive.

I would never hand off the RAW of a stock photograhy quality image (and this is that level of quality) to the general public. It is bad business practice. We should just be thankful that the OP was nice enough to share what he/she has and let it be.
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chinch
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Re: Asking for RAW file is asking a lot
In reply to Matthew Thomas, Oct 22, 2007

your interfering is invasive.

gimme a break. there aren't 1000s of similar images and small 100% crops are worthless when evaluating more often than not actual photos in their entirety.

bad business? this is a message board.

100% JPG is sufficient if RAW is such a deal-breaker.

but either way kindly stay out of it...if and when i request something from YOU then i'd welcome your input.

until then....

Matthew Thomas wrote:

I mentioned earlier that the poster could post a RAW file to help
clear up the issue of whether the pic was altered (and it was). It
was suggested to help verify the OP's claim and that claim has since
been clarified without the need to release the RAW file.

Asking for a RAW in order to help you decide whether you want to buy
the lens is ask much more than this.

There are 1000's of images around the forum and elsewhere on this
lens. There are many featuring smooth boken like this (although
composed differently).

There are 100's of images featuring 100% crops of the lens wide open
in more challenging techical situations. If you merely pickup a
National Geographic, you'll see at least a few obvious samples using
this lens in each issue. The quality is exceptional at wide
apertures as long as the exposure isn't too over exposed in
highlights.

I just don't understand how asking the OP to expose his unique RAW
file to the general public (risking copyright violations) to help you
make a decision that should be evident if you search is anything but
invasive.

I would never hand off the RAW of a stock photograhy quality image
(and this is that level of quality) to the general public. It is bad
business practice. We should just be thankful that the OP was nice
enough to share what he/she has and let it be.
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Re: Asking for RAW file is asking a lot
In reply to chinch, Oct 22, 2007

My questioning your request for a RAW file is not invasive. I want the OP to know it is not necessary and will, yes, will hurt his/her ability to market the image at some point. The OP may decide this is a fair trade, in exchange for some kind of insight you can give with the RAW file in hand. However, if the main reason you request it is to help yourself decide on a purchase, I see this as unnecesary and invasive.

I've seen requests for RAW files and the expection of members to view them drive pros away from these boards, leaving the uninformed to do the informing. I don't know a serious pro that would share a RAW file online with anyone unless the image lacked any value. This image has value and I believe we should respect that.

This topic seemed a bit different than the usual 85mm variety so I decided to spend some valuable time contributing to it. Sure the OP can answer your question, but until then, this is my forum as much as yours.

You could just open another topic post called "85mm 1.2 samples needed" I've seen countless like it but at least it would be your topic and other people would be free to blast you for not searching.

And yes, there are 1000's of images and opinions of the lens here and most of them attest clearly to it's ability and weaknesses. Learn to search for them first, then you can call me the one that's invasive.
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Felipe Rodríguez
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computer blurring
In reply to canerino, Oct 22, 2007

Hi!

As a owner of the 85L lens (and totally sucker of the bokeh it produces!), I would like to say that I doubt anyone is capable to recreate that wonderfully creamy, dreamy blur using a computer. Moreover, the guy eventually trying such task would
have a very hard time to avoid halos around the boy...

That small road cloning at the boy's feet doesn't detract an atom from the picture, which is captured and edited with great taste and skill.

Kudos once again!!!

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chinch
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In reply to Matthew Thomas, Oct 22, 2007

please ZIP IT already.

if he says "i can't do that" that is sufficient.

NO ONE EXPECTS ANYTHING

(i don't even expect YOU to mind your business and stop being invasive)

what drives away people from boards is derailed threads such as what you are helping to do with this.

Matthew Thomas wrote:

My questioning your request for a RAW file is not invasive. I want
the OP to know it is not necessary and will, yes, will hurt his/her
ability to market the image at some point. The OP may decide this is
a fair trade, in exchange for some kind of insight you can give with
the RAW file in hand. However, if the main reason you request it is
to help yourself decide on a purchase, I see this as unnecesary and
invasive.

I've seen requests for RAW files and the expection of members to view
them drive pros away from these boards, leaving the uninformed to do
the informing. I don't know a serious pro that would share a RAW
file online with anyone unless the image lacked any value. This image
has value and I believe we should respect that.

This topic seemed a bit different than the usual 85mm variety so I
decided to spend some valuable time contributing to it. Sure the OP
can answer your question, but until then, this is my forum as much as
yours.

You could just open another topic post called "85mm 1.2 samples
needed" I've seen countless like it but at least it would be your
topic and other people would be free to blast you for not searching.

And yes, there are 1000's of images and opinions of the lens here and
most of them attest clearly to it's ability and weaknesses. Learn to
search for them first, then you can call me the one that's invasive.
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Was this shot with 85 mk I or mk II? (nt)
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no text

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Re: 85L in the middle of the street
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Matthew Thomas wrote:

What more from the original do you expect to see? He posted the 2
images used to compositd the image, and none of the background blur
is was part of the composite. The image you see is effectively
unaltered besides the lower 5 percent.
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I perfectly understand the request.

Quite honestly this resized web picture is oversharpened with jagged lines and halos.

If anyone should want to evaluate this picture in order to have a better basis for his own purchase a raw pic is required. OP can simply say no if it's too much to ask. But the request makes sense.
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And I thought this 85 f1.8 shot was good...
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I can't imagine how much better it would have been at F1.2. I need to get me one of those balls of glass...

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Another sample
In reply to canerino, Oct 22, 2007

Sorry! I couldn't resist to replicate your picture with my little darling. Your photo is better: light, mood, wet road, the model is more cooperative... Moreover, I am having a problem of backfocus and I'm going to send the lens and the 5D to get them calibrated together, so my sample is not as sharp as it should be.
But, anyway, this lens is quite impressive!
Regards!

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and even another one!
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My nephew Pedro:

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Un espacio feliz que ignore los perfiles.
Concededme, sí, la dicha redonda
De flotar sin conciencia en el fondo
Desenfocado de mis fotografías.

Give me a world with no edges,
A happy space knowing nothing about outlines.
Grant me, please, the round joy
Of thoughtlessly floating on the blurred
Background of my photographs.

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Re: Another sample
In reply to Felipe Rodríguez, Oct 22, 2007

Looking at the ground, this photo does not look back-focused to me.

Felipe Rodríguez wrote:

Sorry! I couldn't resist to replicate your picture with my little
darling. Your photo is better: light, mood, wet road, the model is
more cooperative... Moreover, I am having a problem of backfocus and
I'm going to send the lens and the 5D to get them calibrated
together, so my sample is not as sharp as it should be.
But, anyway, this lens is quite impressive!
Regards!

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Dadme un mundo sin contornos,
Un espacio feliz que ignore los perfiles.
Concededme, sí, la dicha redonda
De flotar sin conciencia en el fondo
Desenfocado de mis fotografías.

Give me a world with no edges,
A happy space knowing nothing about outlines.
Grant me, please, the round joy
Of thoughtlessly floating on the blurred
Background of my photographs.

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Re: And I thought this 85 f1.8 shot was good...
In reply to Eric Sorensen, Oct 22, 2007

Would love an 85L myself. That's a great shot though Eric, and it shows off the 85/1.8 qualities well.

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Felipe Rodríguez wrote:

Sorry! I couldn't resist to replicate your picture with my little
darling. Your photo is better: light, mood, wet road, the model is
more cooperative... Moreover, I am having a problem of backfocus and
I'm going to send the lens and the 5D to get them calibrated
together, so my sample is not as sharp as it should be.
But, anyway, this lens is quite impressive!
Regards!

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Dadme un mundo sin contornos,
Un espacio feliz que ignore los perfiles.
Concededme, sí, la dicha redonda
De flotar sin conciencia en el fondo
Desenfocado de mis fotografías.

Give me a world with no edges,
A happy space knowing nothing about outlines.
Grant me, please, the round joy
Of thoughtlessly floating on the blurred
Background of my photographs.

background looks fake!!!!! you clearly cut and pasted your model!!! you added additional blur!!!

very nice shot my friend!

you have a darling model. its hard for me to see the backfocusing issues on this version, but i did have a mkII that was off. I had a mkI that was sharp, returned my first mkII, and now have the lens I currently have, which is good.

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