Just bought a Panasonic LX100 from Panacam via Amazon listing with very satisfactory results. It was listed as a refurb but in fact I feel sure it's really a straightforward gray market camera, one intended for sale to English speakers in Asia and thus without a U.S. warranty. Shipped from Hong Kong, ordered Saturday, delivered three days later, Tuesday. N.I.B., well padded. No problems with the camera. Saved $80 off cheapest price I found for a "new" one. I'd buy again from them without hesitation.