Serious danger for England

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Jorginho
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Re: So, how well have England performed since 1966?
In reply to papillon_65, 6 months ago

papillon_65 wrote:

Jorginho wrote:

Just look at the track record. It is a big zero...Nothing accomplished, with such a large amount of footballplayers. Much more then Uruguay, with a mere 3 million and you even cannot win from them.

How many World Cups have Holland actually won?

How is that a good paramter for assessing achievements over a longer period? if a team reguylarly reaches the top 2 in the biggest sport in the world, that seems a reasonable indicator. Andwe reached the semi's in 98 too. we have gone to each and every poule phase we entered. Always. Never dropped out.

Jimmy White never won a world title, would you say he is less of a player than Graeme Dot or Ken Doherty or that guy who won in 1986???

Of course different looks on the match are possible, but we can argue time and time again about each match. if Spain scored the 2-0, then NL would not havehad it easy and Spain would be more tranquil against Chile which would could should etcetc.

England just never is there. And never havebeen. NL, also a small country with 17 million nowadays have been in a final for 3 times since 74. And won the EC in 88...

How many World Cups have Holland actually won?

Meaningless

Dutch always play similar, English too. The English game type lacks and always will. You need to change drastically. Even Gerrard noted quality deficits after Italy. Most dutch I am in touch withduring theWC predicted a loss for England based on lacking skills...

The Dutch team is an ordinary team saved by two world class players, Van Persie and Robben, take them out and you have a very ordinary team. England are currently lacking any world class players but they have young players with great potential. They've failed in this World cup due to inexperience and naivety. They outplayed both Italy and Uruguay for most of both matches and lost due to classic sucker punches. Uruguay should have been down to ten men for most of last nights match, that they weren't was due to poor refereeing.

Oh agree with that. Our teams is surely lacking skills too and we are all convinced that reaching the second round is what is about the best we can expect. Either Mexico or Brasil will defeat us.
But we have Memphis Depay..18 years old and another very promising Dutchmen. we have Lens. we have Sneijder 9but not in a good shape). Sadly Strootman is injured, a dominant centre midfield player. All these are very skilled, technical, smart players.  Defenders: we haven't had any good ones since 2004. But Nigel de Jong is nice and worldclass exception.

Holland may do well in this world cup because world class players always make a difference, but I believe that if Robben in particular gets injured or sent off you will struggle, and make no mistake, when you come up against a decent South American side they will do their best to take care of that.

Even with Robben we will not go through. How that has got anything to do with a consistent lacking England I don't know.

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