Has the black Olympus 12mm lens gone for good?

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Dheorl
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Re: Has the black Olympus 12mm lens gone for good?
In reply to Olydude, 3 months ago

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Dheorl wrote:

Olydude wrote:

That's the whole point... You're not learning anything about focal lengths or why they exist, or why there has been standard focal lengths such as 24, 28, 35, 50, 90, 100, and 135mm for such a long time.

How are you not learning about focal lengths when using a zoom? With a zoom you're constantly changing focal lengths. You might not learn the angle of view of one in particular focal length quite so intimately, but why do you need to when if visualise it slightly wrong you can zoom. I've learnt all about the effect different focal lengths have on the look of a photo and as mentioned the only primes I've had are a fish-eye and a 25mm f1.4 (maybe I didn't mention it was the 25mm, meh)

You're not learning, because you're not actively thinking, you zoom to a length and think that's OK, that will do me.

Just because you might not actively think and learn when using a zoom it doesn't mean that other people don't. You seem to be making the assumption that people with a zoom will just stay at their vantage point and pick a composition by zooming. The way I see it is with a zoom I have absolute precise control of both perspective and framing. With a prime you only have control of one.

I've spent by now hundreds of hours getting to understand what you can and can't do at 12mm. You just stand there and zoom in, and inevitably just end up with another flat, boring, lifeless, snapshot.

No, I still walk around and view the subject from different angles and try using different perspectives to include what background elements I might want.

You don't reason why, nor do you spend many hours working on composition with that focal length, nor do you think.

No, I clearly never think. Ever. I do however spend many hours working on composition but just because I do it with an infinite number of focal lengths instead of just one it doesn't make my photographs any worse.

You can argue that you're otherwise of the non 90% but for the 90% of people who use a zoom this holds trues. Zoom only photographers generally learn nothing about composition.

That doesn't match at all with my experience of photographers who use zooms. Even my friends who have absolutely no formal photography training and have shot with nothing but zoom compacts will still be seen walking around a subject and crouching at funny angles to get the shot they want. They by no means just stand still.

There is a specific and valid reason why these focal lengths are chosen more often than not by photographers, and that is that they suit the style of photography and have done so for so long that they are somewhat of a standard. That's OK if you don't want to adhere to that, but you should at least recognise that such standards exist for good reason.

Those focal lengths are chosen more often than not by photographers because most photographers are nothing if not traditionalists.

OK and another wonky argument about photographers being traditionalists that doesn't hold water. Call me when you submit for print in a journal and your photo has to fit a particular page size/dimensions.

What an earth does that have do to with focal lengths? A 4:3 photo is still a 4:3 photo whether it's shot with a 12mm lens of a 1200mm lens.

Also you keep talking about pros who clearly know everything with relation to your argument as to why primes are better. Remind me again, what lenses do virtually all working pros swear by? Oh yea, the 14-24mm, 24-70mm and 70-200mm "holy trinity" of zooms...

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