Why do people still argue about equivalence?

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Mirrorless Crusader
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In reply to zxaar, 3 months ago

zxaar wrote:

Mirrorless Crusader wrote:

Greg A A wrote:

Mirrorless Crusader wrote:

Greg A A wrote:

Mirrorless Crusader wrote:

Greg A A wrote:

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joejack951 wrote:

Perhaps there is another 25mm f/1.4 besides the Panasonic lens, but the price of that 50/2.8 full frame equivalent is considerably more (~$200) than either Nikon or Canon's 50/1.4s.

What about the price of the cameras you mount those lenses on?

If size is also an issue, you can still retain over a stop advantage with full frame by buying an ultra cheap, small, and sharp 50mm f/1.8 from either brand.

What about the size of the cameras you mount those lenses on?

If you always shoot so close up that the depth of field at f/1.4 on full frame is too shallow, then the cheapest option would be a Nikon APS-C DSLR with the $200 35mm f/1.8 (52.5mm f/2.7 equivalent).

F/1.4 on FF is too shallow for most types of photography regardless of how far away you are focusing. MFT as a complete system with lens options blows out Canikon APSC pretty badly.

Micro four thirds lenses are toys compared to The Nikon or Canon lens system. MFT has nothing to compare with the best Nikon and Canon telephotos.

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The best Canikon telephotos are full frame lenses and cost thousands of dollars, or did your reading comprehension skills betray you?

Sorry your MFT lenses don't compare. You can use any of the FF Nikon telephoto lenses on an APS-C with great results. Those are all part of the FF or APS-C lens system for Nikon. In comparison your MFT lenses are toys for tots.

What part of $6,000-10,000 or 6-10 lbs don't you understand? Or are you just conceding those points without bothering to admit it?

Your quote without qualification "MFT as a complete system with lens options blows out Canikon APSC pretty badly." There's nothing about price in your statement. Besides you don't need to have that kind of weight or dollars to blow away MFT. AFS 70-200VR or AFS80-400VR do just fine at far less weight and dollars than you indicate. But if you need that kind of high end telephoto it's available. MFT simply is not as complete a system as Nikon or Canon. This is undeniable. Sometimes one has to spend a few extra dollars to get the job done with the best lenses.

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Those exotic lenses aren't part of the APS-C system. Sure you can use them on APS-C cameras, but guess what, you can use them on any camera with an adapter, so that's a moot point.

huh, what happened to the weight issue. You would not be using them on your m43 toy system.

Oh great, so you're conceding the point that it's ridiculous to compare a camera system that weighs a ton and costs a fortune to one that doesn't.

The fact is they are designed and built specifically for FF cameras. "Nikon" and "Canon" aren't systems - they're camera makers that sell cameras for several systems, most of which are sorely lacking in lenses and other accessories.

They are lacking only for people who do not know how to use them. There is no rule book that says you can not use them on APC or smaller sensors. In fact they are designed for FF for the reasons that if they were designed for APC or smaller sensor they lose their versatility.

As far as I know, most people don't know how to use things that don't exist, which is an apt description of all of Canikon's non-FF systems.

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