A6000 vs. A77ii Continuous AF - Very confused

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Re: A6000 vs. A77ii Continuous AF - Very confused
In reply to 123Mike, 4 months ago

123Mike wrote:

I have as of yet see anyone complaining that the EVF is not good enough - the ones that have used it.

What is it that you don't understand the differences between fact and opinion?

Fact:  The a77ii has a higher resolution EVF than the A6000.  There is no denying that.  A higher resolution display typically costs more.

It tracks a moving object in real time at 11fps and keeps it in focus. I've observed it doing that.

No, what you experienced was a very good predictive AF algorithm.  There is no way the camera can focus in real time while an exposure is taking place.  That was my point.  The A77 and A77ii, on the other hand, can continue to focus while an exposure is taking place.  But this all stemmed from my stating there was a dedicated PDAF sensor, which is an extra part which will add to the cost of the camera.

I think the only people that can't agree that 12 vs 11 is in all practical terms, just as good, are just arguing to the sake of arguing, and purposely giving a hard time. It's simply not reasonable.

Yes, the difference is small and I never refuted that, but it is true that shooting at 12fps puts a greater demand on the hardware than 11fps.  For the hardware to remain reliable, it needs to have a higher level of durability which can increase the cost.  That was my point.

There are many customizable buttons and features. It also has MR mode where you can program 3 sets of settings for quick access.

There are some things that a dedicated button or dial is helpful where an MR mode or a menu access cannot do or is too inconvenient.  It still doesn't escape the fact that more buttons and dials add to the cost, which was the whole point of the post.

I'm not justifying a weaker flash. I was simply explaining that I prefer to avoid using the flash. I prefer to capture the natural lighting. So the need for a more powerful flash isn't there for me. Yes, that's an opinion, and I'm expressing it. I thought it might be interesting to explain how I maximize this. You're being only negative here, and not constructive at all.

Again, personal opinion.  You are reflecting only what is acceptable to you and assuming that fits everyone's needs and that it supersedes the fact the flash is weaker.

What you call an excuse (again, you're so negative), I see as something that is exciting, a way to improve on things. As for sharpness, the focal reducer makes the image sharper. I found that the Sony 35mm/1.8 lens almost covers full frame, with little vignetting, and only in the very corners. The sides are degraded a little, but it works for a cheap solution. The results can be quite good. Normally, you'd have to stop it down to f/2.2 or so to make it tack sharp. It seems that with the focal reducer it's sharp right wide open. The results are far better than what I expected. A lot of (negative) people were making all kinds of assumptions and have been making claims and dismissing it beforehand. They were wrong.

Not being negative, I am being truthful.  Your comment was an excuse to justify not needing a more powerful flash, or a flash at all for that matter.  You compensated my comparison by stating you don't use a flash and would much prefer a faster lens.  While it strays away from the fact comparison, I pointed out the double edge sword when shooting at a large aperture and that it isn't always ideal.  Nothing more.  There is a time and place for it but that doesn't mean it is a replacement for flash.

I used my previous A57 a fair amount. I think it was around 65k clicks after two years. I suspect I'll use the A6000 for two years as well. It might use 80k clicks, I don't know. At that point I'll sell it, and move to the next camera. It is unlikely I will see the shutter break.

Maybe for you, but again, this isn't about you.  It is about the capabilities of the camera.  Facts versus opinion.

Yes, but it has to work with a limited set of focal points. When the subject is not behind a focal point, the camera has no choice but to wait until it sees it behind one of those points again. With on-sensor pdaf (plus cdaf) you get so many points that it covers the entire frame and dense enough where you don't run into that problem. The A77 had more points than the A57 which was my previous camera. They upped it on the A77ii, but the A6000 still has more of them, which makes the A6000 better than the A77ii in that regard. I'm purposely writing it this way, because that's what you have been doing. You're arguing over things like "but 12 is better than 11, so there, I win, you lose". Well then, this one *I* win. Ha!

Wow, such a childish statement.  What did you win, by the way?  I didn't realize this was a competition and that prizes were being given away.

My comments weren't an argument of what is better in the eye of the beholder, but what is better in terms of specs and what can contribute to a camera that costs more.  You, and only you, took that as an offense and decided to justify your purchase, a camera I have no issues with and actually like.  A camera that I have highly recommended to others, as a matter of fact.  And while I find it tempting, it doesn't suit me.  But that is not the point I was contributing to the OP.  I was contributing only facts.

And if you are going by higher numbers, 12 is better than 11.  But that wasn't the point.  There was no win or lose to that.

As for your tracking over a greater area of the sensor, yes the A6000 has a larger coverage area.  But your original comment wasn't leaning on it having a larger coverage area.  Your comment was implying the A6000 can do object tracking and the A77ii cannot.  My response was simply stating the A77 and A77ii can do object tracking and, from my A77 experience, does a pretty decent job at it too.

Always with the OP this and the OP that. Trying to shut up points you don't like.

The OP was asking what are the differences between the two that may contribute to the cost difference.  All you did was lay down your opinion of what YOU find useful or not and not was is actually better or more costly that contributes to the price difference.  I correct you of this and, clearly, you are taking offense as if I am trying to shut you up or bury something I don't like.

What points am I trying to shut you up on?

I post facts, you try to counter facts with opinion.  I correct you of such, nothing more.  It's pretty simple and straight forward.  I was being objective and factual, you were being biased and opinionated.  I neither swayed the OP towards one camera or another while you are pushing the A6000 hard.

As mentioned before,  I have no issues with the A6000.  I think it is a great camera for the price.  I've even been tempted by it but it doesn't meet my requirements.  In my last post I said the following:

Different horses for different courses.

Do you know what that means?

It's not a slight against one camera or the other.  It simply means one camera doesn't suit everyone's needs and that each camera caters towards a particular kind of photographer, job, need, and/or demand.

I'm simply helping raising awareness. The topic *WAS* also about the A6000 after all. So I can't talk about an A6000 in a topic that is about the A6000, just because you say so?

The topic isn't specifically about the A6000 and your opinion of said camera.  The topic was about what is the difference between the A6000 and the A77ii and why does one cost nearly twice as much.

If you wanted to talk about the A6000 and shower your opinionated love of it to the OP, then respond directly to the OP.  Don't reply to my comment that was purely a factoid post and add counterpoints to my facts and try to turn it into an opinion piece.  When you do that, I take it as a direct response to me.  Which, then don't be surprised if I respond and correct you of your misreadings.

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