What else is happening before the first curtain on E-M1?

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Re: Shutter video
In reply to Timur Born, 5 months ago

Timur Born wrote:

But from sound and tangible feeling it seems to me that in case of enabled AS0 the blades are retracted *before* they can hit against the lower edge. Without anti-shock and higher AS settings you get two clacking sounds, one when the blades hit the lower edge and another when they hit the upper edge at the end. Once short release time is enabled (no cocking at beginning), though, the downwards slamming of the FCS induces only rather small vibrations (AS or not), while the upwards slamming still remains. At least that is what my ears and fingertips tell me, but practice seems suggest that the downward slamming still matters.

With Anti-Shock 0s there is a cave-at that might hint to how ECS differs from higher AS settings and how ECS works. AS0 adds a considerable lag between opening the FCS and closing the SCS! You can reproduce this very audibly by switching between 1/320 and 1/400 with AS0 enabled (or turning AS0 on and off at 1/320). Comparing the lag with anti-shock setting longer than 0s confirms that this only seems to happen with AS0.

Yes, ~25 ms lag. Did you look at discussion and shutter sound records above?

My guess is that the FCS is only moved to get it into position for firing off the SCS, because that's how the E-M1's shutter is mechanically build to operate (just as Anders already suggested). And since it is not needed for blanking the sensor it's kept close for shorter (not at all) and thus practically braked before hitting hard.

Just 2 ms. Not much shorter. I don't get "practically braked" part though.

While it's not impossible that FC moves slowly when EFC is activated and it would be reasonable to apply smaller forces (and get less shock/vibration as a consequence) the peak height and shape of FCO is more or less the same in case of AS0 or no AS or AS 1/8

Additionally I think that the electronic curtain is only finished (maybe even started) after the FCS already slammed back open and thus adds the additional lag! This would allow the vibration of the FCS slamming upwards to be dealt with as well.

Yes, it seems that EFC starts ~25ms after first curtain slams open. So calling it 0s was a bit of a lie, a correct name would be 1/40s AS

What I would like to see now are comparisons of anti-shock 0s versus higher settings to see how the observed (by me, can be wrong) lag affects images (supposedly positively)?!

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