D800 refresh rumoured

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Lance B
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Re: D800 refresh - didn't you know it was coming
In reply to T O Shooter, 6 months ago

T O Shooter wrote:

Lance B wrote:

T O Shooter wrote:

I don't get all the fuss over these "refreshes". D4S behind glass in Vegas, then all the hype up to the offical announcement. Don't we know all this is coming? And that the update will be different from the current?? I'm in Toronto and we have snow. But I'm reasonably certain that sometime before July it'll all be gone. Same as all the cars will have some updates next fall. Same as new camera bodies get updated every so often.

And as I've said on here before, Nikon seems to have taken its cue from the snowmobile manufacturers. Build it one year; correct what it can the next. Last year Polaris's Rush was the cats ass, but for 2015 the chassis has "93% new parts" which means there's 7% in nuts, bolts and rivets. So Nikon needs "refreshes" to fix what they fooled up the last time. Too bad its come to that.

Is this what you really think? So, what you are saying is that Nikon should have waited until it they had the technology/parts/whatever to release the D800 in the guise that they are about to deliver it in now?

No, I saying do their due diligence, not get slack on QC, and put out bodies such as the D600 and D800 as they should have been put out. There's no reason for the D800 AF to be worse than the D700 or D3S, but it is.

There are thoughts that the D700 was just as bad, just that we didn't see it due to less resolution

So there's ABSOLUTELY no need for me to have to buy another body because Nikon no longer takes enough pride in their products to have it working properly when they sell it to me. I don't expect them to hold off new features until I'm ready; I also don't expect to have to buy a new body because they slapped a D800 together and didn't bother to test it. I've got snowmobiles to take that money. I'm fairly certain that no one at the faxtory ever rides one. Snowmobiles that is.

You are assuming that the D800 is going to be released simply because of the so called left AF issue, which I am certain is not the case. The lastes D800/E's have not had the left AF issue, so there is no need to release a refresh just for that.

In other words, wait 2 years to release the soon to be released refresh of the D800 after the official release in March 2012. So, if we take that to the nth degree, we would never see the release of any new models as the new model would be the one "we should have had all along" and therefore waited until it was released. But then, that new model would be defficient somehow and the updated version should have been the one that they released and so on ad infinitum.

You may be getting a little foolish here

Not at all. See abpve.

I think you'll find that manufacturers release stuff in oder to get the jump on the market. Yes, maybe they release it earlier than they should, but they need to make sure that they have the upper hand and release it with the parts/technology that they have available at the time. I see no real problem with releasing a product that does what is intended, seems to fit the consumer requirement, but then the manufacturer releasing a tweaked version halfway through it's product cycle in order to regenerate buyer interest and demand. Also this refresh may address some issues that the original model may have had and that the buying public has requested.

Agree with everything above except to fix issues they didn't have pride enough to build right the first time. I have no problem buying a new body to get new features, but not because they got sloppy the first time. As above, I have snowmobiles to take that money.

Again, the latest D800/E's, inclsuing mine, do not have the FA issue, so there is no need for a refresh to fix something that doesn't seem to be an issue. They are releasing a refresh according to some for better high ISO, yes better AF but that is not due to the left AF issue and possible higher frame rate/processor.

This is called marketing and long term viability and I see no problem with that. The D800/E is a fantastic camera and one that is great as is. Yes, it could do with some improvements, but as the camera is now it probably serves 90% of it's owners with more than they will ever need. Do I need a tweaked D800E? Probably not. Will I buy the tweaked version? Possibly if they improve the AF, high ISO, wrtie speed/frame rate. In isolation each of these tweaks is not really a reason to upgrade, but added together they improvements are a possible justification for "uograding" to the refreshed model. An improvement of the AF would be good and not that it is bad, but we can alays have better AF. If they imrove the high ISO, that will also interest me. If they improve the write speed/frame rate that would be good, not that I really need it.

The thing is, I can sell my current D800E for probably US$2,000 or so, and if the rumoured price is about $3,500 it has cost me less than $1,500 to upgrade for probably 18months shooting and about 30,000 actuations, depending on when the actual release date is. If it is a few months away, then it is about 18 months shooting with my current D800E. Pretty good cost in my books, only about $1,000 a year. I would hate to imagine how much that would have cost me in film and printing costs and the keeper rate would be much more than with film as I can shoot then tweak.

Hey, I bought a D4 just because my D800 AF was screwy. So I can spend a few bucks too. Just sayin', but shooting 30000 shots in 18 months is not photography. I could stick the camera out the window, put an intervalometer on it, and get good shots out of 30000 Try cutting that down to 3000, put a little more effort into it, and then you can be proud of it.

Now whos being foolish?

I shoot birds and have done a few trips OS, so shooting 30,000 shots is not out of the question.

Anyway, put the new D4S AF in the update and I'd live with the rest. Even the D4 AF. The new processor should be good for a boost in fps by default. 6 or 7 would be nice, but AF alone is enough for me.

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