D700 amateur user wonders why D4s has no built in flash

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Shotcents
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Re: Real men don't need pop up flash attitude
In reply to Robin Casady, 10 months ago

Robin Casady wrote:

whoosh1 wrote:

Shouldn't hurt to have it - even if its rarely used.

Yes it does hurt. It adds bulk which interferes with bellows, and some tilt-shift lenses. I hate having a pop-up flash on the D800E. It has caused me problems with a number of macro setups.

A pop-up flash is also rather fragile. Top-end Nikons are made to be rugged for heavy professional use. They get hauled through the Amazon jungle, jostled along the sidelines of a football field, carried through war zones, etc. There is no way that an active pro would want a toy flash that would easily break off.

Aesthetically, on camera flash is about the worst lighting you can use for people. It is just about useless as a light source to a serious pro.

However most D* owners seem to have the attitude that having it will make this a less pro camera - hence Nikon does not include it I guess. Instead of wanting to not have it - the D* owners should really be asking for a more useable version of a pop-up flash (may be adjustable angle when raised). But since users don't complain Nikon will never put it.

You seem to have quite an attitude about it. You think because you want it for family snapshots that it should be on pro cameras, and other's are snobs because they find it worse than useless. Maybe they aren't the ones who are snobs.

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Have to agree with Robin here.

Built in flash on my D800 has been used always with big regrets. It's awful. An emergency unit at best.

I've got a SB400 for those family situations. It's HUGELY superior to the built-in and very small.

I own the Df and the flash would have only added weight, bulk for no good reason at all. At this point I feel that a pro camera should not have built in flash. But it's easier to say that when you have at least one body that does.

Robert

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