For those who thought the Df flopped...

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Re: For those who thought the Df flopped...
In reply to Rich Rosen, 7 months ago

Robert,

"Cannot" and "will not" can't be lumped into a "cannot afford" statement. Such a statement infers economic inability. "Will not" is a matter of choice. The first can be demeaning or insulting, while the second can be a "badge of honor." I had no intention of commenting in this thread. The OP was reporting a fact, which I had read and wanted to see what others thought about it. But then ravduc made that stupid statement about the AF in the Df. The comment was elicited because he felt the poster was degrading the AF sensor in the Df. All RodiuvanII said was that a "better" AF system was available in the D4, if the curleyone wanted it. Thats a pretty neutral statement. But ravduc took it as an insult to the Df, He proceeded to condemn Rodiuvan as being unable to afford the Df. Where did that come from? And when dread_tai pointed this classless stupidity out borg, ravduc and you jumped on him. He did not make any comment on the camera, either positively or negatively.

Rich, YOU may in fact have the money to buy a Df, but that doesn't disqualify the statement. SOME people here don't. On that I'm sure you agree. As someone correctly pointed out, the Df is a camera many folks want, but the price stops them cold.

I got to use the Df twice before buying and I knew (mostly) what it was. What I did not truly expect is that I'd learn the following:

1) The Df sensor is a better all-around sensor for my needs, outperforming my D800 and lessening the workflow by no small extent.

2) I don't need and have never needed the 51 point AF of the D800/D4. What I do require is that the center point be excellent and the Df and D610 work beautifully in this regard.

3) After the first two weeks I began to prefer the handling and controls of the Df over the D800. This is something you're not qualified to comment on. I've been shooting large format, medium format and digital since the days of owning my own modded versamat. How a person connects with gear is personal and not instantansuous. Yesterday I was shooting land locked boats in the snow. I was working with top dials only with my gloves on and it was easier and more fun than with my D800. Not once did I require my reading glasses to reference an LCD and the light weight of the Df with a prime is wonderful.

4) What owners of the Df are reacting to is their inability to post on this forum without harassment. And if you KEEP repeating the same negativity, that's all it is. I'm sorry, but you "bashers" have stated your views and made your points. The OWNERS of the Df are enjoying a camera they find superior. My friend has stopped using his D600 in favor of the Fuji X100. He thinks the Fuji is BETTER. His reasons make sense. If someone prefers the output of the Df and the handling, doesn't THAT makes sense?

I'm sorry again, but the critics are no longer critics. They're simply attacking, trolling and bashing a product they actually have minimal insight into. It DOES come across as envy, jealousy and worse. It looks like the eye-rolling of the guy who spots the fellow in the Porsche. Repeatedly harassing owners under the guise of "Gee, I'm just giving my view for the 100th time is certainly suspect."

You say that the Df is one of the most polarizing cameras Nikon has ever made. I think you are right. You say that Df naysayers are ruining positive threads about the camera. Negative comments in this thread didn't attack the camera but did question the validity of what the Nikon executives were saying. Given the track record that Nikon has laid down over the last couple of years, with the D600, and D800; its warranty and customer service policies; wouldn't you question anything that Nikon has to say?

That's a good question and it allows me to make another important point:

1) The Nikon Df is the ONLY FX CAMERA I (and my friend) have owned that is problem free. My D700 required lens tuning on half my lenses. My first D800 has left AF issue. My second could not focus AT ALL and was sent back. My friends have had troubles with the D600 (and one is sending his D610 back with oil spatter again). But we've found that the Df works with no lens tuning, no shutter issues. This thing works like an Apple product! It just works.

2) Until the Df I felt that Nikon could not release a trouble-free product. But everything on the Df feels better quality than my other cameras.

This negativity is not limited to the Df, but is directed at the whole Nikon organization. Other things were said, or weren't said in that interview, by Nikon that didn't sit well with me at all. But that is for another thread. The fact is that this thread titled "for those who thought the Df flopped." gave Nikon skeptics a reason to vent. Perhaps some of the negativity directed at the Df, is because of the problems Nikon has created for itself in the last couple of years. But "you and others like you," take it personally. A little childish, don't you think?

Rich, you're really chimping and choosing here. Df haters have attacked the owners and have aggressively told us that we don't need a lightweight D4 sensor based camera because THEY don't want it, can't pay for it or whatever. I'm about to spend nearly 60K on a muscle car. Is it a value based purchase? Of course not. But I know what I'm doing and know what I want. You can tell me once that it's a bad decision, but if you keep on about it then you're the one with the problem.

All of the negative comments re. "hipsters" and worse sound exactly like jealousy. One of my friends even bought the Df PURLEY on looks. Who are you or I to tell him he's wrong?

I think it's time for the haters to go away. You're wrong. You're not helping anyone. And worse, you're doing little more than bashing fellow enthusiasts. If you're HONESTLY upset about the Df or Nikon, write them a letter like a grownup. Or move to Canon.

Robert

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