G1X Mark II - What is with the screen??

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Re: Engineers can't win.
In reply to Dave92F1, 7 months ago

hasn'tDave92F1 wrote:

howardroark wrote:

At least that tends to be the default position people (non-engineers) take when they don't like something. It makes perfect sense and is perfectly understandable, but if you were part of a team that exhaustively designed, tested, and redesigned a complex system that was greatly influenced by the need to balance one consumer demand with another consumer demand I think you might take it a little easier on the poor designers.

Actually, I am an engineer, and have been "part of a team that exhaustively designed, tested, and redesigned a complex system that was greatly influenced by the need to balance one consumer demand with another consumer demand".

And based on my experience I am sure there are some very annoyed engineers at Canon who preferred the vari-angle design...but lost the argument (been there, done that).

FWIW.

What is with this? I think it's a huge downgrade from the vari-angle design, which let you nestle the camera tight against your belly for stability (like an old medium-format camera).

Yeah, I seriously doubt there was a lot of importance placed on the very few people who shoot this way. I'd call that a very non-standard method and also not one that was important enough to completely change the design strategy.

If you don't have a viewfinder (optical or EVF), then you can't brace the camera against your head. My solution has been to brace against the body instead (it works great; try it).

I wasn't aware that "very few people shoot that this way". I thought all experienced photographers did this when using a camera without an eye-level viewfinder (or tripod...).

Is there another way to brace the camera against vibration if you can't hold it against your head?

(I mean...it's a $800 camera. I know there are people who just hold the camera at arms' length and get horrible blurry pictures. But at $800 I assume that the majority of buyers know enough about photography to worry about camera shake.)

I never worry about camera shake and most folks I know don't either. Every digital camera I own: G1X, G15/16/,S95.S100, S110 and several others (not listed because this is a Canon Forum) I hold in front of me to take a shot. Back in film days it was necessary to hold camera to your eye, although I took many a shot by holding a camera up in the air. I've never had a blurred photo unless it was an accidental tripping of the shutter. Any modern camera will produce "good" photos for the user unless they are a complete doofus. I have other cameras that have the type of moveable LSD screen that the G1X II has, and they work exceedingly well.

It just amazes me the "cry babies" and "boo-hooers" who are complaining about this new Canon camera. Some are fanboys from other forums, no doubt, but most are "so-called" Canon users. Man, isn't it a shame that Canon didn't consult you guys before making this camera. And the thing is the camera is still over a month from release. No one, but no one has even touched the camera yet, and you're crying all over this Forum that they didn't meet your wants & desires. How dare Canon! The outrage!  Well, I'll show 'em, I won't buy this dumb ole camera! There!  BooHoo, Sob sob, Sniff sniff!

I have a friend that has worked for Canon, in Japan, for the last 15 years. I'm told that
Canon doesn't pay any attention to the Forums anymore, and one of their VPs said as much a few months ago. At one time they did pay attention, but not for many years now because of the many cry babies and nay-sayers.

They tell me the best way to get Canon's attention is with a personal letter from a professional group or an individual, that is courteous, factual and contains helpful suggestions. The Japanese culture abhors whiners. If you have a legitimate complaint, you will always get a response, maybe not the one you want, but you will get one.

Nuff said!

I always open the screen to the left, so I can see it with the camera braced against my body - it looks like that won't work anymore!

You are not the only person in the world who might buy this camera, but I'd bet you could adjust your strategy if you need to and, if not, I'd bet there are many other cameras for you to choose from.

Yes, I'm well aware of that, but thanks for the patronizing comment anyway. (I say that with love, I do!)

I will probably buy one of these things - my "travel" camera is still a G12 because that's the last compact Canon made with the Vari-angle (except for the G1X which I didn't buy because of the macro limitation - I take lots of product shots up close).

But expressing disappointment with mfr's choices is part of how we give feedback to the vendors.

My guess is that in fact it was a decision that more customers cared about 3 millimeters of size than cared about vari-angle. And maybe that's correct, but I'm not one of them.

Take your articulating LCD camera out and start trying to pretend like the LCD is a touch screen and make some changes to your settings. You're putting stress on the hinge and you're also most likely changing the orientation of the screen, and making that hinge stiffer to resist people who push buttons harder than necessary is probably not feasible.

That's a good point. I've never owned a camera with a touchscreen so I didn't think about that.

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