On recent cameras: EM-1, XT-1, A6000 ...

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Re: On recent cameras: EM-1, XT-1, A6000 ...
In reply to docvale, 8 months ago

docvale wrote:

Henry,

yours is a nice thought analysis, but I think that the point here is a tad more related to marketing.

I don't consider the Oly offer for now, since I'm not eyeing the m43 world. I think the Fuji offer is a more premium one, with a luxurious (almost only) selection of primes, while the Sony one is more oriented for the bang-for-the-buck purchase.

That's it. I'm sure that the price difference between the X-T1 + XF35mm vs A6K + Sigma 30mm is not justified by the IQ difference.

But for some users, the Fuji combo will give the feel of a more upscale object. In the end, here there's lots of people that go crazy for gear (regardless they're actual enjoyment of their cameras) so the "ownership pride", which is huge in the Fuji community, is a kind of weak among the Sony users.

I know that the Sony platform allows to use Zeiss made (or licensed) lenses, but man, those are running really expensive.

You know, in the exchange with ttan98 (above) it occurred to me that Sony has to cater to two user bases: 1) the 'no ownership pride' owner and 2) the 'it is the best' owner.

Fuji only caters to the #2, and Oly seems to have its customers wrapped into #2 as well.

But Sony ended up neither here nor there. Many of the #1 owners only want cheap - they may have gotten a Nex camera second hand, and bark at high prices. But then again, they are satisfied with the quality. Whereas the #2 owner don't look at the prices as much as they look at the specs. As long as it is best, it is good. A Zeiss lens is great, but it has to be flawless. And if Fuji puts out a 56/1.2 they cry loud that they must have a same option.

Group #1 users would simply mount a legacy lens and call it a day.

ttan98 would be happy with the A6000 and kit lens, per exchanges above, with one or two lower-priced primes. Sony gives that option.

There are pro users that would use the A6000 with the E1670 and the E24Z only, as only that reaches the quality level that they seek, and they are confident that it is good enough.

And there are advanced users that would criticize even such pairings, and insist on a flawless execution, because Fuji has a 56/1.2 or Oly has a 75/1.8. They need bragging rights, and Sony has to create it for them. Some are not even users at all.

I see, on people's profiles, users with lots of lenses and users with a few lenses. Invariably, those complaining the loudest about a limited availability of lens choices or lens IQ are those that have purchased only a few lenses. It should be the other group speaking up, not them.

Or, as one forum member posted: "Why can't we just tell each other how we can make this stuff work, now that I have purchased it?"

The Fuji group is also interesting in its behavior - Fuji wants to be seen as 'the poor man's Leica' it seems, and the users are mimicking a certain 'Leica-man attitude' on their forum. It goes beyond pride of ownership - they place themselves in a superior position, because they have 'the right' equipment.

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Cheers,
Henry

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