New E-mount APS-C bodies will have DSLR shape, like A3000

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parallaxproblem
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Re: re: THREE distinct lines then...
In reply to nevercat, 11 months ago

nevercat wrote:

parallaxproblem wrote:

EinsteinsGhost wrote:

jpr2 wrote:

what is becoming increasingly more and more obvious:

  • there seem to be three groups of prospective users for slightly [or actually not so slightly - the outward differences are pretty significant] APS-C E-mount bodies,
  • each of them declaring different preferences, exactly like on these pics. above:
  • [a] keep the current N7-like form;
  • [b] give us a midget-DSLR;
  • or [c] we'd love that the new APS-C will be given A7-like shape = significantly bigger, but perhaps with a larger LCD and improved eye-relief optics for VF;

so the question is - not technically, as whatever would be possible to be tightly packed into the [a] should face no problems for redistribution of components into [b] or [c] - do they have the resources and logistics to deal with three distinct lines of APS-Cs??

And the political will to expand the market into diverging directions?? I think that logistics and marketing will be the key areas, but then I'm not a specialist

jpr2

Sony chose two, then three APS-C forms: Small (3/5), larger (6/7) and DSLR form (A3000). And now, there is another, with FF (A7/A7r). I would bet on two E-mount lines, as I have done before:
Ax series: These would be NEX replacements, now also including FF.
Axxxx series: Same as Ax series but with DSLR form.
The Axxxx series will likely see lower emphasis unless demand necessitates. Ax series is guaranteed to continue the thin and tightly packed form. However, as I alluded to earlier, we will see three sizes: A7/A7r representing one (possibly to be followed by A9 at some point), NEX-6/7 replacement and NEX-3/5 replacement.
I would bet against Sony reusing A7/7r body for 6/7 replacement. That leaves two possibilities:
- 6/7 replacement continue the NEX-6/7 form which is larger than 3/5 body to accomodate EVF.
- they go smaller to 3/5 body size but now the EVF would have to go in the middle as in A7.
Either way, you're looking at at least three distinct bodies within Ax series.

Unfortunately very unlikely (but that never stops you saying these things)

How are Sony going to explain to their customers that FE-series lenses are to be used with the A7 and above, and E-series lenses with lower denominated Ax cameras?

Itis easy, all the FE series lenses are 100% compatable with both FF and APS, so these lense can be used on all the mirrorless cameras. The buyers of the FF cameras will know what lenses to buy.

Not necessarily

I still remember trying an A850 in a shop when it was first released and the assitant putting a DT (ie. APS-C) lens on it

If you look at some of the questions on this forum you will see that there is still a certain amount of confusion, even here, about this point

And it is exactly the same for the A-mount cameras, where the FF lenses work on APS cameras and on FF cameras.

Except the FF lenses will be bigger and more expensive than necessary for APS-C and maybe not offer the same IQ

Sony E35/1.8  vs  Zeiss FE35/2.8 :  how do you explain easily the price difference to somebody chosing for an APS-C A5 and/or an FF A7 ?

That is why A5000 for APS-C and A7 for FF make more marketing sense.  FE lenses for Ax and E lenses for Axxxx

When have you previously seen Sony use two different form factors in the same series? The SLT cameras were called Axx to differentiate themselves from the Axxx series OVF cameras

Well we do not know what the naming plans for Sony will be do we? So it could be that the Ax line is for FF mirrorless cameras, the AXX is for the SLT cameras, the Axxx line for the RF style cameras and the Axxxx line for the DSLR look alike mirrorless cameras.

Axx and Axxx are already reserved for A-mount

There would be too much confusion if Sony started using those denominations for Emount now

If Sony were planning to do as you suggest then the NEX-5T would have been released as the A5, or maybe the A3 if they planned an in-between high-end APS-C version. It wasn't... it was scheduled as the A5000 (indicating the Axxxx is the APS-C range) and then renamed back to NEX (indicating that the Axxxx range will not contain Rangefinder cameras)

Wellyou keep on telling this as a fact, but the fact is that we all don't know...

Rubbish. The 'temporary' existance of the A5000 followed by it being renamed as the NEX-5T is clearly documented. It is fortunate that we do have clear evidence as otherwise you would claim it was simply a figment of my imagination

We don't know what the naming will be. We don't know why the A5000 was on the prototype/preproduction model. It is possible that it was there for the reason Sony did not wanted people to know what that camera was replacing, maybe it was there, but Sony wanted the new name on a camera that was more of an update then the 5t was, maybe that name was out there as a joke.

Oh please... are those reasons really the best you can come up with?

The truth is I don't know and you don't know it either.

Now that is true...

So why are you in other places lying and reassuring the feebly-minded amongst the forum participants that further Rangefiner cameras will be released, even to the extent of saying the following in this thread:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52504676

Quote: The simple answer is: The will not! They will go on comming with RF styled cameras, but will add the DSLR styled cameras too!

Are you desperate to get those 'like' clicks from the 'Sony faithfull' or do you just enjoy being disingenuous?

Where have I said that it is certain Rangefinder cameras will not be released? Nowhere... I have simply said that there are rather convincing factors pointing to a probable change of body style from Sony and that they ought to issue some form of statement reassuring their customers that there will be continuity of product release

Every post I make is almost guaranteed of a 'Nevercat' or 'Einsteins Ghost' (the original must be 'delighted'...) response full of imbecilic non-logic and desperate attempts to find a reason, any reason, to suggest everything I say is nonsense. I really wonder why... Simple denial? Intellectual inferiority complex that envies individual thought? A belief system that places a consumer electronics company at the centre of the universe to somehow be protected from infidels? Very strange... almost as strange as the NEX-5T release

To know for sure we have to wait till the next cameras will come and see what name it will get...

Or Sony could simply tell us that there will be more rangefinders produced in future... which would be very easy and painless for them

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