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Dheorl
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Re: Jumping ship?
In reply to dougjgreen1, 11 months ago

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Really? So you've spoken to just about everyone who shoots in inclement weather? Because I know a substantial number as unless they're pros or wildlife enthusiasts they never seem bothered about much outside that range.

No, they are rationalizing - just as you are - you tailored your needs to what you could get. If you could have gotten only 28mm on the wide end, or 300mm on the long end, that would have become your need.

No, if it started at 28 it would have been a lot less appealing to me.

The fact is, anyone who shoots much at 200mm wishes they could shoot at 300mm - unless they already can.

You really should stop using words like anyone when it comes to personal preferences.

I'll use any words I want, thank you very much

Alright, no need to get your panties in a twist. I just find a lot of disagreement often comes from poor communication, especially online, and therefore people should try to use the most accurate language possible. Unless of course you come here just to argue, in which case your a troll and I'll add you to my ignore list.

The fact is, the difference between 28mm and 24mm is quite minor. Most folks who need wider, need A LOT wider than 24mm.

I find much wider than 24mm starts to distort too much for mh liking of my preferred subjects, the amount extra you can get in compared to 28mm however is not insubstantial. Even if i still bought it if it had a 28mm wide end, I would have often been wishing it had a 24mm wide end. Thankfully it has that so I don't need to worry. What cameras are produced does not change what my needs as a photographer are.

Quite simply, 24mm is just as likely to not be wide enough as 28mm is.

The fact is, the difference between 28mm and 24mm is very minor.

It's about 12.5% different. People pay a lot of money for a 12.5% difference in some areas of a cameras performance.

With your logic though there's just no stopping. Why buy a 9-18mm lens when chances are it's still not going to be wide enough and you'll need a 7mm, but then chances are that's not wide enough so you get a fisheye, and eventually your still not happy but there's nothing you can do about it because short of a panorama you can't go any wider. Everyone has a point of diminishing returns/point that suits their subjects best, for me it's around 24mm.

I agree, you should buy the widest lens you can. I bought the 7-14 because the 9-18 isn't wide enough.

But be honest with yourself, is that really wide enough? I'm personally not a huge wide lens fanatic, I shoot a lot in the mountains and no matter how big the mountain it always looks distant with such a wide lens.

I could tell you're not much of a wide angle user, because your comments about 24mm being entirely sufficient when 28mm is not demonstrated that quite clearly. And the fact is, I'd buy the widest lens available that was rectilinear.

What can i say, i don't like lenses where distortion is so pre leant.

If you knew how to use them, you'd know how to use them where they didn't distort, but rather, simply exaggerated perspective.

I know how to use them, but for the environments I'm normally shooting i just don't like the effects they produce. Also sorry, but they alays distort, it's an inescapable fact of wide angle lenses. I'd thought you'd know that considering how much you use them.

Your definition of distortion is wrong. Altering perspective is not distortion - and a rectilinear lens particularly if it's corrected in the camera, does not distort - distortion means bending straight lines Fisheyes do that, rectilinear lenses don't. What it DOES do is alter perspective an a major way. Sorry, your ignorance of wide angles is glaring. I will grant you that you don't need one, because you obviously don't grasp what they can be used for and how to use them to accomplish that. So go ahead, buy a camera that doesn't have one - nor any capability to add one, since you clearly can't fathom what to do with an ultra-wide lens if you had one.

Aww, and there's was me thinking how nice it was to have a conversation on this website where someone didn't result to personal attacks, hey ho.

And the distortion I'm referring to isn't perspective distortion, it's the stretching of objects towards the extremes of the frame. I'm not sure what else you'd like to call it but distortion. Maybe I am wrong and this is also known as perspective distortion, in which case thank you for educating me. I thought however that perspective distortion referred to building leaning backwards etc.

As for my skill with them, i know exactly what they can be used for and how to accomplish it, and as i have said previously my main subjects are people and mountains, neither of which are suitable subjects imo for wide angle lenses.

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