Boehner: "There will be no unconditional surrender"

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Re: So, let's recap these rather dreary responses
In reply to TrapperJohn, 9 months ago

TrapperJohn wrote:

"It's the law"

Segregated schools were once the law, as passed by our representatives. That does not mean that it's a good law, or that it shouldn't be rolled back. The fact that the House was lost to the dems shortly after obamacare was passed should tell you something... unless you can come up with better spin than 'it's the law'.

Laws can be repealed - by vote, not by extortion.  If they Repubs had the votes to repeal the law, they would.  But they don't, so they're using extortion instead.

"Most people support obamacare".

No most people don't support defunding, delaying or repealing Obamacare.

Unproven, and contrary to the results of the last two polls - that really count - were taken: House elections in 2010 and 2012, which put the republican party, on a 'keep obama in check' platform, in control. Oh, the senate has been losing a few dem seats, too.

The Dems gained 2 seats in the Senate in 2012, and 8 seats in the House in 2012.

"the house should just take a vote".

The house did pass just such a measure, and it's now in the senate. It defunds Obamacare as well as raising the debt limit. So why doesn't the Senate 'just take a vote'? Try that one on for size, and see how most of your arguments have to be reversed to make that case.

That vote would fail, as all 52 Democrats in the Senate would vote against it.  By contrast, more than 20 House Republicans have said publicly that they would defect and vote in favor of a clean CR.

"We should continue to operate while we debate the deficit"

We tried that, and it doesn't work. It never happens.

It always happens.

Hasn't happened in the 50 years this country has been running deficits.

The country has been running deficits far longer than that.

The last time the debt limit came up was last fall, and the threat of it got some agreement on cutting budgets, which was never carried out, and we now have automatic cuts kicking in - sequestration.

Which just shows how stupid these people are.

If we weren't running record deficits and borrowing record amounts of money we can't pay back, we wouldn't have to raise the debt limit.

And if we hadn't had the Bush tax cuts, we wouldn't have a deficit.

Duh just doesn't express it...

Indeed.

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