Full frame rangefinder solutions. Not leica

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Re: Full frame rangefinder solutions. Not leica
In reply to T3, Aug 20, 2013

T3 wrote:

bosjohn wrote:

T3 wrote:

bosjohn wrote:

the term slr while traditionally used to describe cameras with mirrors and prisms but the acronym means single lens reflex I used the term correctly. the taking lens is used for viewing and framing the photo and the light path is bent with prisms mirrors or electronically. Its the bent light path that makes them reflexes so a view camera while using the taking lens to frame and view the shot is not an slr

So where is the "light path...bent" in a mirrorless camera? LOL. It's not bent at all. The light has a direct path to the sensor. So you're wrong there. Secondly, the "reflex" in "single lens reflex" means that the light is bounced (reflected) off a mirror or series of mirrors. No mirrors in a mirrorless camera either. (Hint: that's why they call them *mirrorless* cameras.) So you're wrong there, too.

Modern autofocus is pretty darn good but a long base rangefinder would still be more accurate.

First of all, rangefinder accuracy does depend on how long the base is, but the base is limited by camera body size. Modern AF is not limited by camera body size at all. Furthermore, rangefinder accuracy is effected by focal length and focus distance. AF is not. For example, AF is capable of pinpoint accuracy even with very distance objects (like when using long focal lengths) because it's focusing on a *magnified* image. Rangefinder focus has no capacity to use a magnified image for greater focus accuracy. Furthermore, rangefinder focus will always only be good as the eyesight of its user. AF does not suffer from this limitation. Modern AF systems have higher sensitivity, precision, responsiveness, and accuracy than most humans can muster...and the gap in performance between man and machine only increases as the human ages.

Most rangefinder shooters don't shoot with very shallow DOF, simply because it's very difficult to get spot-on focus accuracy when shooting with such narrow DOF. Or if they do shoot with very shallow DOF, they certainly aren't shooting quickly, or at fast moving subjects. I certainly wouldn't want to shoot a small child at shallow DOF with a rangefinder. Most rangefinder shooters would opt for deeper DOF, or even zone focusing, for that situation. For focus accuracy and speed, especially at narrow DOF, modern AF is definitely the way to go. It's a lot faster and more accurate.

the light path is bent to the eyepiece silly not the sensor and its bent electronically

Uh...no. The light travels through the lens, then takes a direct path to the sensor, where the light strikes the sensor and STOPS. At the sensor, the light is converted to binary digital data (just a bunch of one and zeros). This is what continues to travel through the camera: digital data, not light. Light is comprised of photons. It is certainly not photons that are traveling through the digital signal processor (DSP) of the camera, through the circuits of the camera, or to the EVF or rear LCD of the camera. The light path is never "bent electronically". The light path stopped at the sensor. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

So, to summarize what's going on with a mirrorless camera: it is not light that is traveling through the camera to the EVF or rear LCD; there are no mirrors used; there is no reflection going on; thus, no "reflex". That's why no sane, intelligent, person would claim that a mirrorless camera is an "electronic SLR" in which "the light path is bent to the eyepiece...and it's bent electronically." If you continue to argue that mirrorless cameras are "reflex" cameras, and that it is actual light that travels through the circuits of the camera, where it is "bent electronically", people are just going to think you're nuts.

look at your camera/ the eye piece is not in the same plane as the taking lens. in order for the image to get to the eye piece it must be sent around corners or bent. clearly its not hard to understand the concept if your looking in one place and the lens is taking light in in another place in most cases one above the other to see in the eye piece what the lens and sensor see the light path must be bent either with prisms mirrors or now days electronically or with fiber optics.

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