Need Assistance with PC Specs

Started Jun 13, 2013 | Discussions thread
teseg
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Re: Need Assistance with PC Specs
In reply to theswede, Jun 19, 2013

theswede wrote:

teseg wrote:

theswede wrote:

If you wish to contend this, please provide a link to one of those magically cheap machines.

Jesper

As an example:

From last week to this week, this Sale has been reduced by $50... it was $679.

Cheap machine

2 x USB3, 1GB Radeon HD 7670, i7 3770 (Ivy Bridge, yuck!), DVD burner. OK. And since you add SSD and RAM after those will not be included. Let's go for your $679, and I will spend a maximum of thirty minutes locating parts.

Motherboard $69.99, Intel with USB3 ports.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121508

i7 3770 $289.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116502

Gigabyte case $24.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811233064

The HD 7670 is a rebranded HD 6670. $89.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121442

Gold 80 high efficient PSU, probably overkill for this build. $59.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

Grand total: $534.95

Add in the SSD and RAM from your selection and we saved $140. No HDD, if we wish to add that:

HDD 1TB 7200RPM $79.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148321

Bringing the savings down to $60 or so. But we get superior parts, and there are coupons and codes on several of the parts I listed which I have not counted, bringing the savings up further.

So, you got me, a week ago a system with upgrade cost ~$1050 (including tax and shipping). Now it costs $1129... and I am throwing out 10GB of purchased RAM in the OEM system.

$534.95 + $79.99 + $170 + $230

$1014.94 at present prices, to get the same specs but better PSU and motherboard. No saving in sight from better deals for the OEM manufacturer, no magic pricing, no lower price at all. Even if counting the 10GB of RAM the price will not be higher than the OEM box. Which you claimed it would be.

My key point is I located all this with about 1/2 hour of research, 1/4 hour of web price shopping and <1 hour to execute the upgrade (1/4 hour to install parts and 3/4 hour to migrate OS/applications to SSD).

I located this in under half an hour of research, and assembling this kind of simple system is about an hour. So comparable time.

For my first computer build I am certain I would spend days trying to determine what I really would need to do and a half day to assemble, and then hope it all works.

Why? Just start with a system you know will do what you want, and locate equivalent parts. In this case though, you bought too much. The GPU is completely unnecessary; you could just omit it and run on the Intel GPU, saving you money. That would bring the price down by $89.99.

And you are vastly overestimating the difficulty in assembling a modern system from parts, possibly from experience dating from sometime before the Black Death, when computers were difficult beasts. These days they snap together pretty much like legos. I built my latest one in two hours because I used a very complex, tiny custom case. Most of the time was spent fiddling with cable channels. That's not an issue on a midi tower or larger case.

Jesper

I do use DVD (to install some programs, recovery disc etc) so $1014 goes to $1032... and...ah.. the Operating System? (Windows 8, which I happen to love) ... $99: grand total: $1131.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832416550

Power cord? Ok, I won't get too knit-picky.

And as to quality: a quote about the case:

“Made of weak metal
Worst design for securing pci cards ever, flimsy and bends easily, does a poor job of holding cards ...”

And don't forget, the OEM actually put the off-the-shelf version all together for me, so there is labor cost involved.. which is what allows me to do my 2 simple upgrades in an hour.

Ok, so now I am going overboard... point being is there are a lot of little things to think through building your own system. For some, that is the fun part... but if you have an oversight? If that is not my hobby?

In my mind our banter (and cost analysis) have proven if you are a computer enthusiast along with your photo hobby, building a system from scratch can be rewarding and you are assured of the quality. We can debate quality of off-the-shelf systems (that come with warranties), but certainly the price of comparable performance is similar. If you are not an computer enthusiast, there are descent system deals and simple upgrades to create the performance to take advantage of the latest photography software and hardware simply, for today and tomorrow.

EDIT: I was just looking at the motherboard.. says it supports 2nd generation Intel CPU, the off-the-shelf supports 3rd generation... does that matter? Maybe not, but I would not buy this, because I do not know any different.

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