Zeiss Touit or Fuji X decision

Started May 10, 2013 | Discussions thread
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Re: Zeiss Touit or Fuji X decision
In reply to dark13star, May 10, 2013

dark13star wrote:

Hi all,

I’ve been really enjoying my Nex-7 over the last year, especially with the Sony Zeiss 24mm lens on it. It served me well climbing Mt. Kilimanjaro with the kit lens too. Yet I’m still really intrigued by the Fuji X-system.

I’ve pre-ordered both Zeiss Touit lenses. They are not cheap, as everyone knows, but my joy in photography comes from shooting great prime lenses and while I have legacy glass, I want good native glass too.

After seeing some samples of the Zeiss Touit images compared to the closest Fuji glass , I’m preferring the Fuji images. I realize these are just early snap tests and I see that the focus is different in some of the images. Yet it got me thinking that I really need to try Fuji for myself before I shell out all the cash for those Zeiss lenses.

I’ve ordered an X-E1 and the 35mm f/1.4 to do my own hands on testing. I won’t shoot lens charts and stuff. I’m going to carry my Nex-7 and my Fuji on a couple of outings and see which I really prefer and come to some conclusion before the Zeiss lenses ship.

Anyone else do such a comparison? I’d be interested in what you found. I’d also like to share my findings if others are interested, but I don’t want to start a Sony/Fuji pi$$Ing match. I don’t have vendor loyalty. They are tool providers and I look for the best tools for my needs. The latter part is important, since we are all different and have different photographic styles and preferences.

I see three possible outcomes.

  1. I don’t like the Fuji and send it back before it’s 30-day return period.
  2. I love the Fuji and sell all my Nex gear to build out Fuji.
  3. I determine each has it’s place in my photography and I sell some of my Nex gear and get more Fuji lenses or at least don't buy the Zeiss lenses to build out some Fuji.

It should be interesting at least.

Rich

I would consider the Nex-7 successor later this year first - if you are looking for the ultimate, the 24Mp will get you there faster - especially with the same lenses.

Between the 16Mp Nex and Fuji cameras, it is very confusing to compare the sensors. The Fuji has added sharpness (no AA filter?), but gives it up in JPG preferred flows (RAW flows still seem to be lagging), still the marketing hype persists.

With native lenses, the Fuji lenses outclass the Sony E mount lenses, but barely, imho, for double the money. Not the best ROI on your investment, especially if you work the lens stopped down under a majority of the time. And frankly, the Sony line-up is more versatile for now.

The Touit sample pictures are also non-telling. I downloaded a few, and found them heavily processed, with details lacking, or subject to camera blur? Not sure how to tell a lens from there. I am sure that they are top of the line, but the delta, to e.g. the E1018, or even the E16+UWA, may not be all that great at f/5.6.

If the Touit manages f/2.8 without losing the corners, than it is a winner in my mind. Question then is which camera handles it the best - the 16Mp Nex, the 16Mp Fuji or the 24Mp Nex?

I find myself going back to using more legacy lenses (Contax-G for now), which again separates the lens from the body/sensor issue.

My understanding of the Fuji sensor in the shortest description is that they removed the 'blur' (AA) filter, but this leads to Moire patterns. By rotating the pixel grid in a random pattern, they overcome the Moire problem, and achieve the higher amount of sharpness/detail that is otherwise lost. But the irregular pixel grid makes RAW processing a nightmare - even if RAW converters come on line, they will likely not extract the maximum amount of sharpness.

For ultimate sharpness, the Nex-7 still trumps. But I have pictures that begin to show Moire patterns when viewing the 24Mp directly (in Windows). The same image downsampled to 16Mp does not show such pattern, meaning that LR does something to remedy this as well.

The bottom line really is that output resolution that you are seeking: print, posters, monitors? If you start from there, you may find the Nex-6 more than sufficient.

Yes, I said Nex-6, and not Nex-7

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Henry

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