Pentax China Confirms FF DSLR and Pro APS-C body

Started Apr 25, 2013 | Discussions thread
Alex Sarbu
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Re: Barking mad
In reply to il_alexk, Apr 28, 2013

il_alexk wrote:

Alex Sarbu wrote:

Canon did it in different times, and they had to (in order to introduce electronic contacts and AF). Nobody changes their mount with no good reason.

In this case, going for the old, manual focus, longer than other MILC mounts Leica M would do no good; it's worse than e.g. Sony E to adapt other brands' lenses, it's ancient, it's niche. Pentax would gain nothing, but would lose a lot by screwing up their customer base (which is K-mount).

I am curious if you could shed more light on the following two questions:

  1. How releasing both Leica and Pentax mounts at the same time screws up their customer base? I do understand that this may cause some anger with Pentax fanboys, but talking about normal customers, why do they care about having more than one option?
     
  2. If supporting both mounts does hurt feelings of some loyal Pentax clients, why do you think Ricoh Pentax Ricoh-Pentax still sells GXR cameras?

You weren't talking about "releasing both Leica and Pentax mounts at the same time".

Yes I was - "I assume them to come out with both Leica and K-mounts at the same time", see  http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51359469 :).

With both Leica and K-mounts adapters. It's not the same as having dedicated cameras.

You were talking about adopting an old, manual focus, no electric contact, niche rangefinder mount, while the K-mount users would have to use K-mount adapters (which would somehow have full compatibility and be completely "free", I presume )

It looks like you see my assumption as a M-mount camera with additional K-mount adaptor. This is far from what I've suggested. Ricoh GXR is essentially a camera with interchangeable mounts (and sensors). I know, Ricoh has never bothered to make a mount other than M-mount, but technically it is possible.

No, I see it as:

- complicating the camera design in order to accommodate adapters/mount modules, with no other reason than to serve the niche Leica M market

- forcing K-mount users to buy a K-mount adapter/mount module in order to use their lenses (when most of them couldn't care less about M mount lenses)

- having to solve problems like designing a modular system which would accept both a rangefinder and a SLR mount. One such problem is the viewing system, would the K-mount adapter come with a full reflex viewing system?

Therefore, I suggested the new FF camera to be similar to GXR style - FF digital back which can be used with interchangeable M and K lens mounts. The K-mount could support AF, the M-mount will have the focus peaking.

What you failed to understand is that supporting a niche mount like Leica M would only benefit to some of the Leica M users, and that nothing is free.

Lost you... Who said anything about being free?

Then, you admit Pentax users would have to pay more for a "K-mount" camera, with no benefit whatsoever over a native K-mount design?

But go ahead, hide behind words like "fanboys" and snide remarks like "hurt feelings". It's better than accepting your idea might be impractical, right?

No manufacturer would go to such lengths just to facilitate usage of competitors' lenses; indeed, Pentax won't do this.

There is actually one manufacturer that is already doing this for years. Let's see f you can guess its name ;). Click here if you can't.

It's not the same; there is no Ricoh mount and lens line to compete with the Leica's.

Not true. The Ricoh glass (GR28, GR21, Unit 1, Unit2, etc.) directly competes with Leica/CZ/Voigtlander/etc.

Don't you understand what "mount" and "lens line" means?

In fact, making a M-mount FF is definitely not "unique", as Leica is doing it for years.

A FF digital back that accepts more than one lens mount is unique IMO. An affordable digital FF body which is fully compatible with M-glass is also something that will definitely grab its niche market. If the same body supports K-mount as well, it will be even more unique.

- how do you know "it will definitely grab its niche market"?

- what makes that niche market worth pursuing, at the expense of the more mainstream K-mount?

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Alex

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