Why Canon need a new sensor with low read out noise

Started Apr 27, 2013 | Discussions thread
aftab
Veteran MemberPosts: 8,127Gear list
Like?
Re: Why Canon need a new sensor with low read out noise
In reply to David Hull, Apr 28, 2013

David Hull wrote:

aftab wrote:

aftab wrote:

Mikael Risedal wrote:

lot of rubbish , there are a big difference between 14 stops of DR and no pattern noise and 11 with pattern noise, show me a cleaner camera from Canon  than d600, d800 at base iso and DR range and I pay you 100 dollars cash

-- hide signature --

Member of Swedish Photographers Association since 1984
Canon, Hasselblad, Leica,Nikon, Linhoff, Sinar
Member of International anti-banding and read out noise Association

100 dollars? Nah, I want 500.

I don't think you are a troll as many tend to believe. But I do sometimes feel that you are like a kid. You keep saying the same thing again and again, but never can come up with a good example where D800 or D600's shadow lifted areas are noise free and usable. You are not doing any justice to Nikon either. I have seen better examples.

BTW, I didn't say Canon cameras are cleaner than Nikon at base ISO. I don't think anybody ever did.

Keep up the crusade against all the noise. Never let people like me or others to distract you.

-- hide signature --

Life is short.
Travel with passion.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/catch45/

Here is a better example from D600. Exposed for the bright sun.

original

Shadow lifted, noise reduced

To be fair, one will have to admit that no Canon camera will come close. Image is noisy, but will be usable in a small size.

Usable for what?  What have you used this for, what challenges and contests have you won with it?  Do you think any stock sites would pick this up?  Would the owner of the boat pay you for this one?   Do you think that Nikon would buy it to use in one of their advertising campaigns?

None of the above. The result is suboptimal. This was a test shot, pushing the camera's limit. Did D600 pass the test? No (Well, I should have used iso100, still). With some more processing it can be used for a small print, but result will always be suboptimal. Using similar settings, Canon will produce worse results, most likely we won't be able to use it for even small print. So, yeah, I don't think any Canon camera will come close if we use the same settings and want to lift shadows.

You say that someone couldn’t do this shot with a Canon camera.  I say you didn’t successfully pull off this shot with your Nikon camera either.  I am dead serious here, if this Sony/Nikon DR advantage is so bloody compelling, how come we never see any truly compelling art come out of

it?

Was this the best way to take this shot? No. As Peter says above, there is a better way of taking this shot. I would say, that would be HDR in this situation and that can be done with any camera.

As I played with D600's more than two stop DR advantage and compared that with 5D3 and 6D, I realized that the distinction is not as clear cut as numbers would suggest. I struggled to find an advantage that was useful to me. It is like going from 21mp to 24mp, sounds great on pen an paper, but hardly useful in real life. Maybe we need something like 20 stops of DR, before that for best results we will have to use filters, HDR etc.

So, yeah, I agree with you.

-- hide signature --

Life is short.
Travel with passion.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/catch45/

-- hide signature --
-- hide signature --

Life is short.
Travel with passion.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/catch45/

 aftab's gear list:aftab's gear list
Canon PowerShot G1 X II Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ1000 Canon EOS 5D Mark III Nikon D600 Canon EOS 7D Mark II +2 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Post (hide subjects)Posted by
Keyboard shortcuts:
FForum PPrevious NNext WNext unread UUpvote SSubscribe RReply QQuote BBookmark post MMy threads
Color scheme? Blue / Yellow