About to Buy -- What do you think ?

Started Apr 13, 2013 | Discussions thread
123Mike
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Re: Sony provides so much more!
In reply to bugzie, Apr 16, 2013

bugzie wrote:

123Mike wrote:

  • 10 fps burst rate, no compromises
  • 12 fps burst rate, cropped
  • Faster AF
  • 1080/60p/30p/24p video
  • Fast continuous AF during video
  • Stereo Mic
  • HDR
  • In camera panoramas stitching
  • Access to AF lenses from 80s (Minolta mostly)
  • Live view always available with no compromises
  • Excellent low light abilities
  • Camera body based stabilization
  • Focus peaking
  • Kelvin WB Adjustment
  • Lens Correction for CAs, Distortion, Vignetting
  • 15 Point AF
  • Wireles Flash Commander
  • High Speed Flash Snyc
  • 100%/1.04x EVF

Mike, I'm sure your camera is lots of fun. And you really enjoy it. But some people are going to look at your list of features and see it is a list of features.

Offering plenty of things that you can't do with your camera.

A list that is sure to attract some beginners.

And people that wish to take 60p video with continuous fast auto focus. Like, oooooh normal families, say. You know, normal consumers. People that want a camera to capture their lives.

It's designed to be impressive.

And it is. It is not some sort of scam or lie. It really is impressive.

More seasoned photographers are going to look at some of those features and say, "meh".

Try that in a Sony forum. Let's see how you last with those pathetic arguments. You wouldn't last 5 seconds.

My iPhone 5 does those sweep panoramas with a vertical orientation for increased depth. Fun? Yes. Serious. No!

You're going to compete with an A57 using an iPhone. Rrigghhtt.... Desperate for arguments eh?

It's up to the more experienced of us to advise inexperienced photographers that some of these features are dinky.

Plenty of very experienced people choosing Sony and getting plenty out of it. Stop treating it as if it's some sort of toy beneath you're Canikon. It isn't.

Or that EVFs are controversial in the sense that some photographers prefer the traditional OVF. They don't consider an EVF a "feature". We're here to translate this stuff to beginners.

And those beginners should consider an Alpha, because it's good.

That's the whole point of this forum. To get beyond the sales pitch.

Yes, and I'm one of the people that point out that the Alpha in real life is good and that it's not a gimmick as others here are trying to have others believe.

That's why beginners are advised to go to a store and have a look at any prospective camera.

And come to forums like this to gauge what the choices are.

For some people, an EVF will be a deal breaker. Yes, some people absolutely love them. But it's misleading for a camera manufacturer to list it as a "feature" when some people won't like it.

It is a different way to access what the camera is seeing. It's the data from the sensor. There are big advantages there.

You can argue the merits until the cows come home (and you do!). The fact is some people won't want an EVF.

You don't, because you have an OVF. You're only imagining what an EVF does. You want to like what you want like. I've had both, and I find the arguments putting EVF down weak and flawed.

Wireless flash commander? To use this feature, you need to buy some flash guns. It may be a rather pointless feature for most beginners. Only mid-range cameras have this feature. Pro-level cameras don't have built-in flashes so they don't have built-in flash commanders. If you want to trigger flashes remotely, and you don't have a built-in flash commander, you either invest in a dedicated system with a dedicated commander (expensive!) or go the much cheaper route and go for generic triggers and guns. Having the internal flash act as a built-in flash commander is not a deal maker. For many beginners, it's going to end up a pointless feature they never get around to using.

That's a whole other topic. Not going to get into this. It's hard enough keeping up with the attacks around here.

Features like in-body stabilisation and articulated LCDs… some of us actually avoid that stuff.

We know they weaken the camera in the sense that these are things that are prone to break and break down.

Sony offers 2 years standard warranty. Granted, there will be limitations to that warranty.

For some of us, the priority is a good sturdy camera. Some of us aren't interested in video functions at all.

The Sony is a good sturdy camera. Just don't flip out the screen then. You can reverse it so that it is just like a static screen.

Manufacturers whack these features in to impress. Bombard beginners with a hefty feature list most of which they don't understand.

Pressing the video record button is not very difficult to understand and it produces a nice video. It's impressive that it autofocus nicely and that it delivers the convenience of a camcorder. And that's what many consumers want. Combining a photo camera with a video camera. Sony right now, is the only one that does a good job at this. Has been for at least 2 years. (going 3 now?)

People come to this forum for advice because they get confused.

So, what's wrong with pointing out that a Sony gives you more for your money?

If the OP said he wants a Canon 60D well, that's good enough. He has made a decision. Hooray! He actually knows what he wants. And it's a good camera. We're not going to confuse him now by offering him a whole lot of other options. If we're Nikon shooters, as some of us are, we're not going to try to talk him into a Nikon.

Yes you are!

'Cos in the end, a camera is a camera is a camera.

No it isn't! It is heavily heavily biased here! Every argument in favor of a Sony is immediately put down here. Attacks left and right. Belittling. Insulting. Ridiculing. That's the response here. Why? Because their camera isn't praised the most.

Forget all the fancy features and functions and the exhaustive tests and arguments and the petty rivalries.

See? You're doing it again!

It's just a camera.

With features that allows people do things that they otherwise can't.

And those of us who are more experienced are a little more sceptical of the sales pitches these days. First get a camera… and in the end it doesn't really matter what you get and then get down to the real work of learning how to take photographs because that's what it's really all about.

This is a beginner's forum. Treat it as such then. Stop with the entitlement for your non-Sony brand.

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