Mirrorless- Continuing to Under Perform

Started Apr 11, 2013 | Discussions thread
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Re: Don't Blame "salespersons", the fault lies with BUYER themselves
In reply to 007peter, Apr 13, 2013

007peter wrote:

Jorginho wrote:

You are blaming the wrong person:

  • Salesman are happy to sell you any camera you want (dslr, nex, m43) so long as he/she get the commission
  • Salesman are all about the $$ money $$.  They're not fanboys to advoate a particular brand

Yes, like I said.

The blame lies with the consumer themselves who has a habit of buying what the pro use.  How often have we hear something like this:

  • Buy Canon, Bob next door is a professional photographer and shoot with a canon dslr
  • Buy Nikon, my coworker Sally makes good money shoot babies portrait part time. She uses Nikon DSLR, so get Nikon, they're the best baby photo makers

Why blame? There is no blame. I don't care who buys what, I am not blaming anyone. I understand salesperson well and I understand the general customer equally well.  What you describe here is that many people think a pro shooter can give you a wellinformed opinion on this. So they consult what they think is a specialist. I actually think that is very reasonable to expect.

I never met a Pro photographers who only use Mirrorless for his work.  The few that do always use Canon/Nikon dslr for his/her "SERIOUS WORK" and mirrorless for his/her casual vacation shoot.

I understand that too. I want to see a person who shoots 5 years or so only mirrorless with lots of lenses to switch to another system just like that. Many pro photographers are much longer in the busniess than just five years, so I get that. And they are making good money with it.

What might change all this, albeit slowly, is the fact that mirrorless camera's ;like the GH3 can give some very good video IQ. So you can have your marriage in stills and in movie. Now that is challenging, you need to know a whole other thing, but here mirrorless at least for the time being seems far superior.

The message to American buyers is clear.  Mirrorless, while portable, are not good enough for professional works.  That is why mirrorless isn't selling well in the USA.  (don't shoot the messenger, this is not what I believe, but is the message we're giving out to people).  Until Professional Photographer start to embraced Mirrorless camera, mirrorless will never sell well in the USA.

And whose job is it to change that? The salespersons? The customers'? The pro photog? No: it is the one who makes the camera. Mo one else in my mind.

==================== (on related note, I speak from experience)

I used to sell Tennis Rackets when I was young.  Everybody want to buy a tennis racket that that professional use, which are the worst choice for beginner without skills.  I often tell them that professional have a different need than a beginner, but I can't sell a tennis racket that way.

I had a computershop for 13 years I was different, but also it was difficult. I tried to sell AMD processors, which was easy with the Dx40. No one knew waht brand it was and it was very popular. Until Intel was so smart to come wit their Intel Inside logo. People became aware of what was in it. And Intel was deliveringbetter quality. Like their DX4-100 was 16 kb cahce instead of AMDs 8 kb. Still, I liked competition a whole lot and and with the K6 and on I really tried to sell them where appropriate. The result was people reconsidering but not immediately buying the PC. And half of the time, they went to another shop that told them what thye liked to hear (Intel is better, period) and bought that one. to me, at the vey basis it was because of Intels good move to make people asware AND to deliver high quality products..

Everyone comes in aspire to be Pete Sampras and buy a super-heavy (Wilson ProStaff 90), or they fellow Andre Agassi and buy themselves an over sized (Head Radical 110).

Like it or not, most American tend to be Pro-Wanna-Be and they buy whatever the camera/tennis racket that the professional uses.  I learned quickly if I want to make commission, I tell them exactly what they want to hear:

"You want to buy that outrageously expensive $300 Wilson Prostaff 90 because its what the former #1 Pete Sampras uses so it must be good!"

Same here in Northern Europe and who knows elsewhere too...

Back to the point: the salespersons simply sell what is in their best interest and not what in some elses interest. Not the buyers interest. I know I generalise, but that is what it basically is. They have the most influence, unless some brand finds a way to make buyers aware of their product AND connect it to something he/she wants. In the end, it is still the seller who decides. When a brand reaches that level, it is the easiest to sell. If it doesn't come at a huge cost for the shop/salesperson, he will sell this. He wins nothing buy getting you uncertain about something. Better to capitalise on it and make the buyer even more confident about his choice.

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