New Canon on 22nd March?

Started Mar 7, 2013 | Discussions thread
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In reply to jrkliny, Mar 15, 2013

jrkliny wrote:

It sounds like this thread is turning ugly. It does not help the strength of your argument to call people with different opinions names such as fools, or attritube their opinions to short attention spans and the need for constant entertainment.

There aren't very many people talking about Canon scrapping their in-house sensor development but if someone does think they should based on "the same sensor" being used since 2009 then they are either foolish or extremely misinformed. Don't let the 18MP count fool you into thinking nothing on the sensor has changed. Also, don't forget that when the 7D came out with the new 18MP sensor in 2009 it was ahead of Nikon. In mid-to-late 2009 a few things happened: Nikon released APS-C sensors with 10 and 12MP's and Canon released an APS-C sensor with 18MP. In 2010 all of the higher-end Canon crop bodies had that great APS-C sensor and Nikon released their 14.2 and 16.2MP sensors. In 2011 another Nikon body got the 16.2MP sensor. And, yay verily, by the end of 2012 Nikon FINALLY exceeded Canon's 18MP sensor with its 24.1MP sensor. So tell me, in the last four months how is it that a three year stint at the back of the APS-C pack, how is it that this new lead implies that Canon has lost their touch? Four months and suddenly three years of being comfortably ahead has vanished. Not only that, but making design improvements to that tired, old, ahead-of-its-time-if-you-compare-it-to-Nikon sensor have been reduced to them all being "the same sensor"?

I'm really not trying to instigate, but four months of Nikon impressing people with their new APS-C bodies almost all on its own justifies everything I said about the short attention spans of some and the foolishness of a select few (Canon-made sensors are still extremely impressive across the range).

The facts are that Canon is really slow in introducing new APS-C sensor technology. They have been using the same sensor since 2009. In the world of cameras and electronics, that is a really long time.

No, they haven't. And even though it has been changing in other ways than MP count, what about Nikon waiting three whole years to do something about it? If Canon is slow and behind the times then I'd have to say Nikon is petrified and immobile until it is absolutely forced to compete. None of these comparisons are as simple as putting MP against MP and calling a clear winner, so none of these arguments should ever be made, but try to remember that Canon and Nikon are on different schedules and technology development tracks.

It does appear that Nikon has jumped ahead both with APS-C and FF sensors. I am not really impressed with Nikon either. I would like to believe that Canon is going to soon trump the offerings from Nikon or at least catch up with sensor performance. My conclusion is that manufacturers have reached a plateau in sensor and camera design and future improvements are going to be slower coming and even less impressive. I am not pointing a finger specifically at Canon, but at this time they do seem to be the slowest in making improvements.

Yes, they have jumped ahead after spending three years trying to figure out the difference between their butts and a hole in the ground. I kid, but here's my point again: it's about time Nikon took things more seriously and bravo for their advancements. It means my next Canon will be even better than if Nikon curled up in a ball and quit.

Slowest in making improvements? I am genuinely curious about how you justify that statement? Am I missing something? Are you one who prefers 51 focus points in your camera? Are you basing this on their new full-frame bodies? I personally couldn't care less about full frame bodies right now, but Canon certainly does have different priorities thus far in that market segment.

Oh, and I absolutely agree that the pace of improvements is slowing from everyone.  There is a plateau to some extent at the top of a formerly steep improvement curve.  They're going to have to do more than pack more pixels on the sensors and that means new technology.

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