Farewell, Olympus :(

Started Mar 2, 2013 | Discussions thread
jim stirling
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Re: Add the price of camera and 2 telephoto lenses
In reply to dave gaines, Mar 3, 2013

dave gaines wrote:

jim stirling wrote:

dave gaines wrote:

... Good luck. The body and those f/2.8 lenses you'll have to buy will cost you a lot more than anything from Olympus. If you were strapped for cash as you say, FF is not a good alternative.

Dave,

That very much depends on where you come from Olympus FT gear is very expensive in the UK and most of Europe for that matter

Jim

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Nikon TOTAL = £4103

Olympus TOTAL = £5155

Hi Jim,

To compare the cost of "FF" vs 4/3 format, you must add the cost of the "full frame" body and a couple of top telephoto lenses. Every time I do this comparison I am convinced of the value and economy of using Olympus gear. I'm more than willing to shoot Olympus within the limits of it's high ISO ability and DR. I'm fine with waiting 3 to 4 years between upgrades. I know I wouldn't replace a 5D MKIII or a D800 any sooner, due to the cost and because these top FF aren't upgraded any faster by Canikon either.

Prices from B&H Photo for easy comparison. Not considering temporary rebates ending tomorrow. The first two lenses from Canon and Nikon do not have VR or OIS. Olympus has IBIS with all lenses.

* Selected best camera for comparison and 5 similar, equivalent lenses (not all cameras and lenses are included in this comparison, but the prices are shown)

  • Nikon D4 $5997
  • Nikon 800D $2997*
  • Nikkor 14-24 f/2.8 (no VR) $1997*
  • Nikkor 24-70 f/2.8 (no VR) $1887*
  • Nikkor 70-200 f/2.8 ED VR $2397*
  • Nikkor 200 f/2.0 ED VR II $5820
  • Nikkor 300 f/2.8 ED VR II $5599*
  • Nikkor 500 f/4.0 ED VR II $8399
  • Nikkor 600 f/4.0 ED VR $9799*

Nikon Total* $24,676*

  • Canon 5D mkIII $3290*
  • Canon 1D X $6799
  • Canon 16-35 f/2.8L (no IS) $1,699*
  • Canon 24-70 f/2.8L (no IS) $2,299*
  • Canon 70-200 f/2.8L IS II $2,499*
  • Canon 300 f/2.8L IS II $6,799*
  • Canon 500 f/4.0L IS II $10,399
  • Canon 600 f/4.0L IS II $12,799*

Canon Total* $29,385*

  • Olympus E-5 IBIS $1700*
  • Olympus E-7 IBIS $1800 ??? w/inflation & improvements
  • Olympus 7-14 f/4 $1799*
  • Olympus 14-35 f/2.0 $2299*
  • Olympus 35-100 f/2.0 $2499*
  • Oly 50-200 f/2.8-3.5 $1299 No Equivalent from Nikon or Canon for Full Frame
  • Olympus 150 f/2.0 $2499*
  • Olympus 300 f/2.8 $6999*
  • Olympus 90-250 f/2.8 $5999 No Equivalent from Nikon or Canon for Full Frame

Olympus Total* $17,799*

* Selected camera and lenses for comparison

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Dave

Dave ,

I very specifically said "That very much depends on where you come from" America is the cheapest market in the world for Olympus gear. And you are not comparing like to like as a FF lens 2 stops slower can do the exact same job { AOV, DOF ,total light} as an FT lens. With regards to the long telephoto lenses assuming I need them then this  http://www.castlecameras.co.uk/nikon-af-s-2x-teleconverter-tc-20eiii device added to a FF camera will do the exact same job as the in camera crop of FT.

As of this moment you are comparing the best sensors in the business { the D4 for high ISO and the D800 for maximum image quality } against the  E5 with a 12mp 2008 sensor that was already lagging behind when it was new. Perhaps you forgot the new lower priced FF such as the Nikon D600 which is significantly better than the E5 including a huge 4 stops DR advanatge along with a 2.5 stop difference at high ISO.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/834|0/%28brand%29/Nikon/%28appareil2%29/682|0/%28brand2%29/Olympus

Lets have a look at a genuinely  comparable outfit assuming that you want the same DOF ,AOV and same total light.

Olympus kit                                    FF equiv { AOV,DOF and total light}

Olympus 7-14 f/4 $1799*                            14- 28 F8

Olympus 14-35 f/2.0 $2299*                        24-70 F4

Olympus 35-100 f/2.0 $2499*                      70-200 f4

Oly 50-200 f/2.8-3.5 $1299                         100-400 F5.6-7

Olympus 150 f/2.0 $2499*                          300mm F4

Olympus 300 f/2.8 $6999*                          300mm f2.8 + 2XTC

Olympus 90-250 f/2.8 $5999                      Sigma 50-500mm F/4-6.3

Now the FF lenses above would give at worst the same AOV ,DOF and total light as the Olympus gear as regards prices , even allowing for using America { the cheapest Olympus market I am aware of} . The problem is that no one FF company makes as many slow lenses but basing a system on FF options that are available. The prices would be as follows

Olympus                                            FF equiv { AOV,DOF and total light}

Olympus 7-14 f/4 $1799*                           Nikon 14-24 F2.8              $1996

Olympus 14-35 f/2.0 $2299*                      CANON 24-70 F4              $1500

Olympus 35-100 f/2.0 $2499*                    NIKON 70-200 f4                $1396

Oly 50-200 f/2.8-3.5 $1299                        CANON 100-400F4.5-5.6  $1500

Olympus 150 f/2.0 $2499*                         Nikon  300mm F4               $1380

Olympus 300 f/2.8 $6999*                         300mm f2.8 + 2XTC           $6000

Olympus 90-250 f/2.8 $5999                      Sigma 150-500mm F/4-6.3  $1500

Olympus total =    23,393                                     FF total=   15,272

I could save a lot of money by using the Sigma 300mm F2.8 at a third the price of the Nikon or Cano alternatives. But lets just use originals Canon or Nikon where possible . Now given that the D6OO has a very significant lead over the E-5 or for that matter the E-M5 .Even in America a genuinely like for like outfit for FF would in fact be cheaper than the Olympus option. I have zero experience of the Sigma 150-500 and the Olympus will in all likelihood be better. The issue as always is that you seem happy to double the focal length due to the 2 x crop factor yet do not seem to take the effect on aperture size into account.

I am not trying to be a troll or a PITA in fact I have just bought the 50-200 SWD as it is great for the money and hopefully a suitable mFT body will be along to use it own as it was meant to be. The real strength of Olympus lenses for me are the HG and even the SG which nearly all deliver great results in a decent sized lens for a fair price.

Jim

UK prices of Olympus lenses

http://camerapricebuster.com/olympusaccessories.html

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