70D and 7Dmk2 is coming what to expect?

Started Feb 28, 2013 | Discussions thread
bobn2
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Re: No matter how they are made...
In reply to nedelcho, Mar 3, 2013

nedelcho wrote:

No matter how they are made (plastic or metal), 7D and D300s are marvelous cameras. Not at all like D7000 which is lower cost for a reason. I don't know why, but quality control became lower in Nikon in recent models and higher in Canon. D300s and 7D are build like a tanks and they fail very rarely. I work in a shop for photo equipment and you wouldn't believe how many D7000 bodies customers are bringing for service. Stuck shutter button, LCD problems, problems with autofocus not working at all or such a vast front/back focus with all their lenses, that in camera MFA can't help (do you believe 18-105VR that need -15 MFA to focus properly). Once we tested 3 samples of 35mm f/1.8G on one customer's nikon body and all of them had focus issue (we tested on other body as well) and 50mm f/1.4G or 85/1.8G didn't have problems at all on his body. Recent trend is problems with D5100, we have 3 bodies in a row that had stuck mirror. Previous generation of nikon cameras is very different, it was better in therms of quality control. No problems at all with D300s and D700. We also rent cameras and D300s/D700 have not been serviced once, in the 3 or 4 years we rent them.

Everyone think that current Canon cameras are overpriced. I think not. At the moment Canon have better quality control and this cost money. Their bodies are more expensive for a reason (for example, look at lens rentals blog posts). Nikon are very aggressive with pricing and features and everyone think they are the best, but in practical use it is not so and fanboys will not admit it. The camera does not only need the best features, but has to be reliable and get the picture no matter what. Unfortunately current nikon generation is not as good build as canon's.

My response is to bobn2, not to Wyville (the clear the confusion).

OK, I'll reply then. Yes, I agree with most of what you said, perhaps with the exception of the 'built like tanks' bit - no, really neither of them are. The failure rate hasn't really to do with 'being built like tanks' but with detail failures of bits and pieces that have nothing to do with tank-like build but with component sourcing and QA. I think this is where Canon's iterative product policy pays dividends, even though Canon fans moan about it. There is rarely a Canon camera which is not just a development of the one before it, and so most of the designs and parts are thoroughly shaken down. Take for instance the D600 and 6D. The D600 is a brand new camera, every bit of it is new. The 6D is a rework of the 5DII, the design of which goes back to the EOS-30. Similarly, the D7000 was completely new. The D300 was not, it was mostly a D2X, and the 7D was mostly a 50D. Designing things that are completely new is always a risk. Sometimes it goes OK, but others it really doesn't. I think Nikon's other recent problem is that having had two plants destroyed, they are bringing new products to market before they are ready. In retrospect, Canon's delay on the 1D X was probably wise. If they had released it with bugs, it would have been a disaster.

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