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Re: Is the EM5’s Miss-Stated ISO concerning to you?
In reply to DonSantos,
4 months ago
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DonSantos wrote:
DonSantos wrote:
DonSantos wrote:
Here are the arguments.
On one side:
Iso doesn't matter. It's a bourgeois concept.
I'm going to spew some technical gargon that will confuse you about jpeg gain and dxo measurements of saturation blah blah blah. raw doesn't matter blah blah. confuse the reader even more so they are convinced they don't need to care about overstated iso
Omd is god. Don't you dare talk bad about it. Everything they do is right.
On the other side:
I want some to compare cameras with an even baseline exposure. If the stated iso isn't similar than I can't make fair judgements using image comparison tools.
Here is the simple solution for dpreview: Iso does't mean anything. It's all about the exposure.
1. use a constant f-stop.
2. instead of iso split out the images by shutter speed.
3. use a controlled lighting setup measured by a light meter.
It's so easy. Comeon dpreview. Your (raw) comparison charts are flawed and favor overstated iso camera.
No they don't favor certain cameras over others on such grounds. If you think so, you are simply misinformed.
If you think you can infer the effective exposure (amount of light on the sensor) from the f-stop and shutter speed used by DPR for their studio scene samples you are wrong. Any such inference assumes that the light level is constant from one time/test to another. DPR has made it clear that this assumption is false.
DPR use other procedures to ensure that their studio scene samples are as comparable as possible.
btw I've did test comparing the d600 and the fuji x100. The fuji x100 is definitly overstating their iso by 2/3 of a stop. This is exactly in line with the dxomark iso sensitivity measurements. I really trust their methods.
I'll give you a real example. In the exact same scence with the same f stop and shutter and visual brightness to my image my x100 over states the iso by 2/3 stops compared to the d600 which is exactly what dxo says it would do. That means I can't compare say 3200 in x100 to 3200 in the d600. I have to compare iso 3200 iso on th x100 to iso 2000 on nikon.
Exactly how do you go about it to determine that the x100 overstates the ISO by 2/3 EV compared to the D600?
If anyone disagrees then they have flawed logic.
iso should not be that base of comparisons the "amount of light captured" should be the base.
Again its not diffucult for dpreview to use a light meter to control their lights. that way we can get accraye comparisons regardless of iso
They do use a light meter to control their lights when checking the extent to which a camera meets the ISO standard. Once they know that, they don't need a light meter for their studio scene samples. They just need to expose such that an 18 percent gray target reaches the correct brightness in the OOC jpegs.
very easily. I match fstop and shutter. Then I manually dial in the iso until the brightness levels look matched. iso 2000 on the d600 looks matched to iso 3200 on the fuji x100.
When DPR conducted the same test (how well a certain amount of light on the sensor corresponds to the right brightness in the OOC jpegs of an 18-percent-gray target), they found that the D600 was right on the mark and the X100 about 1/6 EV off in the direction of "too dark". See here:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/FujifilmX100/11
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d600/13
So your results differ from theirs by approximately 2/3 - 1/6 = 0.5 EV. I have no way of knowing why that's the case but any discrepancy between the two cameras in the regard you and DPR tested is completely unrelated to the difference between camera ISO and "measured ISO" as reported by DxO.
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