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Re: Fuji X-20 compared to Nikon D50
In reply to mr moonlight,
3 months ago
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mr moonlight wrote:
For shooting in dim clubs you might want something a little better than ISO 1600 if you want to use reasonably fast shutter speeds. How about the ISO 12,800 that you mentioned. If you consider the D3100, D3200 and D5100, used or refurbished one and two lens kits are available for about the price of the X20. Some cheaper, some a little more expensive, but not tremendously so. Here's how the X10 compares with these three DSLRs. It looks like three possibles and one no-show. Fuji really has its work cut out for it if it wants the X20 to do better than hopeless at ISO 12,800.
The D3100 looks a little better than the D3200. Maybe the D3200 had its NR boosted a little too high. B&H has a D3100 in good condition with a kit lens $380 and a refurbished two lens kit (18-55mm and 55-200mm) for $490, both less expensive than the X20. A refurbished D3200 with the same two lenses is $647, only slightly higher than the cost of the X20, and $490 with just the 18-55mm VR lens. I don't understand why the price of the D3100 and D3200 refurbished two lens kits is the same, but either way they're good buys and well worth the extra size and weight over the X20. They're about the same size and weigh slightly less than the D50, from what I recall.
True, but the OP is just comparing to the D50 he owns, not other options he can get for about the same price or even less than the X-20.
Prices were only mentioned because the OP wasn't sure if the X20 would do the job, that he'd appreciate the light weight of the X20 but he would really prefer the X-E1. The X-E1 would be an excellent choice and would be a great camera for shooting in the low light of clubs but he said that he couldn't afford the price.
Any more comments would be greatly appreciated, I would really like the Fuji EX1 but I just do not have the cash at this time, what I got for my D50 ,Flash & lens would just about pay for an X20.
The difference between the X-E1 and the X20 is that with the X-E1's small 18-55mm kit lens, it's twice as large and weighs twice as much as the X20, and costs a whopping $1,400, way more than twice the $600 price of the X20. Enter the D3100 and D3200. With a similar 18-55mm kit lens (the Nikon version isn't as fast as the Fuji kit lens) these Nikon DSLRs give you near X-E1 performance for not much more than half the price of the X20. Also, if you want a longer focal length, the 55-200mm lens adds only a little more than another $100 to the cost. The X-E1 has no other zoom lenses and the only lens B&H shows that has a greater focal length than the 18-55mm kit lens is the 60mm macro lens, and any of Fuji's other lenses is going to cost $600 or more. That's quite a limitation, when the X10 and X20 have a maximum focal length nearly twice as long as you can get with the X-E1, and the two DSLRs go nearly twice as long as the X10/X20 for hundreds of dollars less.
There's nothing wrong with having higher ISO settings than the camera can handle. It just gives us another option. We know it's not going to look great, but if it means getting the shot or not, I'll take getting the shot at ISO12800 even if it looks bad. You can't put on a faster piece of glass, so you're stuck with what you got.
Sorry, but you need to look at the X10's ISO 12,800 shot again. It's not that it doesn't look great, it's that it's horrible, totally unusable. Yes, you can't use faster glass so you're stuck with a high ISO that's completely unacceptable. But like the X-E1, the two Nikon DSLRs can accept faster glass. A really nice one is the very sharp 35mm f/1.8 Nikkor which at $197 is 1/3 the price of any of Fuji's faster lenses. So the OP can get the X20 if he wishes, but he may come to regret that decision when he sees that it produces images only a very small step up from the ancient D50 that he just sold.
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