Looking to Upgrade my E-510

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John King
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Re: Keep it ... Re: Looking to Upgrade my E-510
In reply to imblest11, 3 months ago

G'day again mate

As Kurt and Jan have already said: post some images here. I agree.

imblest11 wrote:

John King wrote:

Are you shooting RAW only, RAW + JPEG or JPEG only?

I currently only shoot in JPEG because I don't have any PP s/w that can work with RAW images

You have PS Elements 7. That's great s/w. If you convert your RAW images into DNG files (basically, DNG is a RAW data container that can have all sorts of data written into it, without attempting to write data into a RAW file. RAW files can only be modified directly using a Hex Editor ... ). All versions of PSE back to version 3.01 can read any version of DNG file. Sort of a universal bucket for RAW files ...

You may have to download the separate DNG Converter/ACR package from the Adobe web site.

What mode are you shooting? P, A, S, M; or AUTO/Scene modes?

I shoot in AP mode 98% of the time. I haven't ventured into full Manual mode too much yet, and only really use SP mode if I'm trying to get a shot where there is movement involved. I don't know that I've ever used the scene modes to be honest.

Aperture priority mode is fine, specially as a starting point, it is probably the most important of the 3 exposure parameters (ISO, f-stop and shutter speed). Not always, but a lot of the time.

What PP s/w are you using?

I currently only have Photoshop Elements 7

As above. Almost everything that any beginner through to an advanced amateur (or pro ... ) wants or needs to do to either JPEGs or RAWs can be done with PSE7.

"Professionals" don't get crisp shots "all the time". Maybe they have a far higher ratio of potential keepers, but so will you after you have shot hundreds of thousands of shots ...

Thank you for this reminder. I know this, but sometimes in the moment when I look through my photos and find so many junky ones, I forget this. And I get caught up in envy, looking at professional photos wanting so badly to be able to capture images like theirs, that I forget how much work and probably failed photos they had along the way.

I have looked at many thousands of images. Some I would give my lefty to have taken; many I would have been happy to have taken; some I'm glad I didn't take. The last group have probably taught me more than either of the other two groups about critically examining my own images ...

Practice ... Preferably in relatively controlled conditions - e.g. camera on a tripod, subject (flower) in a vase or static. Move the tripod. Practice getting the object in focus, and your technique good (if shooting hand held). Carefully examine your images on the computer.

I often try to "practice" with my nieces and nephews, but often get caught in a rut of doing the same thing over and over instead of branching out to try new things. I guess when you do the same thing, you get the same results.

Get hold of Freeman Patterson's "Photography and the Art of Seeing". Get the third edition second hand, if you can find it. Both it and the fourth edition have much the same text, but I personally think that the illustrative images in the third edition are better. I have both editions.

Also, check out the wonderful thread started by Big Scooter - "Reading for Novice Photographers" here:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/34337824

If you find it useful, don't forget to bookmark it. It deserves to be a "sticky", and would be in any other forum.

The E-510 is fine to ISO 800 in good light, even ISO 1600. ISO 400 when the light is lousy. Practice the relationship between ISO, shutter speed and aperture. I almost always shoot in aperture priority mode, adjusting the ISO to get the shutter speed up.

I try hard not to go above ISO 400 because I have this irrational distaste for the potential for noise, but maybe I need to try using ISO 800 more to help improve some pics in better lighting.

Interestingly, you see far more noise on a monitor than you ever will in print. The worse the monitor, the worse the noise ... The reason is simple. Even a high resolution, high bit monitor can only display around 27,000 sub-pixels per square inch. My Epson R3880 printer (even with its relatively large droplets) lays down around 4.5 million dots per square inch. This is over 150x the resolution. Your monitor simply cannot display fine gradations (neither can mine ... ), so it displays fairly large jumps instead. These appear to us to be noise.

Of course, camera sensors do get noisier at higher ISOs. It will show in print, but nowhere near as bad as it looks on your monitor!

Money cannot improve your photography. Practice can, and costs next to nothing. Learn to critically examine your images on your monitor. Calibrate your monitor (actually, calibrating your video card ... ). Spend the bucks and buy a decent monitor if you are using a cheapie.

I guess the only question I have about this is, if money cannot improve your photography, then why do "professionals" buy the better more expensive cameras if they can get just as good of images with the cheaper equipment.

They can get a tax deduction for it ...
Leaving that aside, there is a huge law of diminishing returns here. To get a small improvement in absolute IQ, one can pay a huge amount of money. New, the 14~54 MkII is around 3x the price of the 14~42 (at RRP). Is it 3x better? Not on your Nelly, it's not ...

I'm probably not at the point that money could improve my photography that much since I haven't even completely figured out my current lens, but couldn't it still at least give you a little bit of a leg up?

Not nearly as much as buying a decent monitor can ...  I can recommend the ASUS ProArt PA246Q with a separate HDMI cable that doesn't come in the box with it. We have two of these ... Make sure your video card supports HDMI (sort of flat-ish plug a bit like an over-sized USB plug).

Hope that some of this drivel helps a bit.

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