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Re: I mostly agree
In reply to jim stirling,
3 months ago
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jim stirling wrote:
texinwien wrote:
jim stirling wrote:
texinwien wrote:
I agree that the IQ is so close as to be practically a wash. What I find sort of funny is that I've seen a number of GH3 owners claim that the IQ of the GH3 is better than that of the E-M5.
Not as funny as some of the E-M5 owners who claimed the E-M5 is as good as the D800 oops I forgot you don't find that as funny as I do
Ah, but I do - that's yet another ridiculous comparison, but one that I haven't seen made in a very long time. Months, actually. Although you still harp on it every chance you get. I wonder whether you'll still be harping on it a decade after the last misinformed E-M5 fan makes that obviously silly assertion. I wouldn't be surprised, the slightest.
Heck, I've even seen you harping on this in OTHER forums at DPReview in the past couple of weeks. Care to provide a link to the last instance of someone saying the IQ of the E-M5 is equal to that of the D800 that you've seen here?
And, lastly, that's a bit of a red herring, really. I'm interested in comparing the GH3 to the E-M5 here. If you'd like to compare the E-M5 to the D800, I'd invite you to do your own work and start your own thread - feel free!
It was meant as a joke just as your post was and the E-M5 faithful have moved on to comparing to other FF cameras i there has been several since the D800} eg http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50871701
Will it ever stop? I don't know!
To be serious for a sec, I've stated this many times, but will do so again - I have never suggested that the E-M5 IQ is on par with the D800 (or the RX1, D4, 6D, 1Dwhatever or even the Pentax K-5). Anyone who does suggest those things needs to answer, himself, for his silliness, but that's not my responsibility (until and unless I make such a silly claim ).
On the other hand, I don't recall having seen any E-M5 owners claim that the E-M5 IQ is noticeably better than that of the GH3, and my close comparison backs that up for me, with the one exception of finer detail in the E-M5 file (fully unsurprising due to the E-M5's weaker AA filter).
I have not been on the forum much recently but other than possibly one rather keen GH3 fan I cant say I have seen many claim the GH3 is superior, and certainly nothing compared to the hyperbole that surrounds the E-M5.
Surrounds? Present-tense? OK
I know of at least three GH3 owners who've claimed in the past week or so on this forum that the GH3 ahs better stills image quality than the E-M5 (one of them just today). I know of exactly 0 E-M5 owners who've made similar statements in the past week on this forum.
I see three posters making claims in favor of the GH3 why that is an outrage and dwarfs the E-M5 fan club .That made the forum all but useless for months.
Ah, no. I never said it was an outrage. Never said it dwarfs anything, either. You're the one bringing up the false equivalency between two fan-clubs. I'm simply comparing two like images from two cameras to see whether those two cameras display any huge differences in IQ
Learn to let the past go, Jim. It gets old hearing someone complain about wrongs they heard months ago. And it's an immature tactic, anyway. I'd prefer to out all incorrect claims, whether they be about the E-M5 or the GH3.
No your post is solely intended to denigrate those wild three posters who dare suggest the E-M5 is no longer king of the castle. Which along with your passive aggressive responses to my suggestions of folk making idiotic claims about the E-M5 simply demonstrates you bias
Right Jim. Let it go, man. This is a discussion about two cameras, and a comparison of the image quality delivered by both, despite your attempts to turn it into a rehash of an old grievance that you just can't seem to let go.
Sorry, I'm not interested.
Wouldn't you? Or do you just prefer to correct incorrect claims about the E-M5 and let incorrect claims about the GH3 (and other Panasonic cameras) stand unchallenged? Certainly seems that way. Two wrongs don't make a right
You have zero interest in correcting ,incorrect claims about the E-M5 or you would have had to make thousands of posts in the months after the E-M5 came out . You are in fact interested in assuring no one dare challenge your views on the E-M5 including uppity GH3 owners as a apparently three posters have been enough for you to trigger a thread challenging them.
Says you. I think I'm pretty fair about each and every camera I discuss. I also try to make it clear when I'm making statements of fact and statements of opinion, unlike many others here.
I'm interested in comparing the image quality between these two (seemingly) very similar cameras. You're the one who seems to want to turn this into something else. No luck here, I won't be a part of it
I see for some reason that imaging resource does not provide a GH3 sample with NR at 0 .I do not use RAWtherape but looking at the RAW studio shot files from IMAGING RESOURCE even with the NR1 option compared to the NR0 on the E-M5 the differences if any are tiny and certainly not observable at 100% , even in areas of very fine detail such as the fabric 200% crop below differences are very small and could be down to a number of factors . RAW files all NR turned off in ACR default sharpening
Sorry, I have no interest in comparing the JPEG files here. If you'd like to do that, feel free to start your own thread. This one's talking about the differences between RAW files.
Did you forget in your haste to attack ,to read the above "looking at the RAW studio shot files from IMAGING RESOURCE" or " RAW files all NR turned off in ACR default sharpening" . These are the RAW files with a 200% crop of a very finely detailed section of the image. I have no interest in JPEG files.
Sorry, not interested in ACR files, either, since it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep ACR from applying changes to the files upon opening them. That's why I took the time to convert them to DNG and open them in RawTherapee (and I've even just now updated to the latest version of RawTherapee and re-run the operation, in the interest of providing the best data possible for everyone to look at).
Not sure why you're so bitter, Jim, but your bitterness and bile don't hurt me. In this case, they're only hurting you.
RAW Therapee is free to download and easy to install - give it a shot!
As you know, I prefer the featureset of the E-M5, but I agree with you that the choice between the two cameras should really be based on the respective featuresets, since, in my personal opinion, any perceived substantive differences in image quality (w/r/t RAW files, at least) is more in the head of the one doing the perceiving, rather than in objective reality.
If the E-M5 had been just a wee bit larger with a better [ for me } arrangement of buttons and a fully articulated LCD I would more than likely be using the E-M5 as any gains in the GH3 video quality are matched by the excellent IS system of the E-M5 . In fact I have bought the Olympus 50-200 SWD for use on a potential future O-MD with full AF support for FT lenses. Differences this small will have little if any real life impact on final output and as you say what camera you chose is solely down to ones own subjective "feeling" . The GH3 is pretty pricey in the UK and had I not been directed to the special discount offers , I am not honestly sure if I would have opted for the GH3.
Jim
And on this we agree - the differences aren't in the stills image quality, I'd say. The differences are in the other features and attributes of each camera.
tex
Jim, I've put you on ignore. Honestly, for some time now, I've seen very little come out of you except for vitriol and bile, most of it aimed toward people who happen to like a specific camera. Vitriol and bile that you even spread on other forums on this site (which, funnily enough, most others seem to ignore completely in forums other than this one).
Anyway, until you can get your personal issues sorted out and bring something of substance to the discussion, I don't really have the time or inclination to engage with you any more.
Have fun with your GH3s - they're very nice cameras, indeed.
Ciao!
tex
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