Used 5DM1 vs 50D

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qianp2k
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In reply to Mako2011, 3 months ago

Mako2011 wrote:

qianp2k wrote:

Mako2011 wrote:

qianp2k wrote:

Mako2011 wrote:

qianp2k wrote:

.....12.8mp FF 5D with a sensor twice bigger still outresolves 15mp 50D easily if you frame the subject into similar FOV by moving closer...

Are you sure you said that right? Same FOV would result in the same 11x13 pic of the butterfly. One pic would show 12.8mp of details and the other 15mp of details/resolution. In your example above, the 50D picture would hold more resolution/detail. Only other difference in the two pictures would be noise and dog.

Of course. Crop format is still the #1 decisive factor. 15mp in P&S <> 15mp in mFT <> 15mp in APS-C <> 15mp in FF. Otherwise 41mp Nokia cell photo will resolve more than 36mp D800 or 22mp 5D3, it even doesn't resolve more than 12mp 5Dc.

There is a crop magnification or enlargement involved, check below. Larger crop factor, more crop penalties. Otherwise as I said many times in other threads before for anyone denies crop factor/crop penalty, then why need a 600mm native super tele-lens, you would only need 300mm thru 2.0x crop, or even better 30mm lens on 20x crop?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_factor

Check DXOMark test data that should answer this clearly. 5Dc even resolve 18mp 60D/7D when frame the subject into the same FOV.

As I thought, you simply misused the term "resolution/resolve". In you same FOV example above, the 50D picture did indeed hold more detail/resolution.

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I think you misunderstand resolution as amount of pixels without taking into account of crop magnification. I use word fine detail instead.

Again, you used the wrong term. You said same FOV... So that means you took a picture of a playing card filling the frame with both cameras. The resulting picture looks identical when viewed at a distance.

The same FOV reflects how we use FF in real world photos such as by moving closer with the same focus-length lens said 85L, or by using longer lens as in landscape such as 24mm on FF vs 15mm on crop.

The picture taken with the 50D (higher pixel density) will hold the most detail/resolution)....be able to resolve more detail. Yes?

With the same FOV, then 50D or even 18mp 7D lose pixel density advantage to crop magnification (enlargement) as 18mp with even as good lens as 100L/2.8 IS macro have not overcome crop penality from crop magnficaiton. They probably will be overcome by 24mp APS-C with a nice resolving lens such as 100L. Again DXOMark test will show the truth. 15mp 50D and 18mp 7D/60D will have pixel density advantage if you shoot from the same distance (then 50D ha narrower FOV) in the case when you unable to move closer or have long enough lens such as in remote birding case.  No mention 5Dc is still noticeble better in SNR than 50D and even 7D/60D.  That's why I have to apply NR on my 60D photos even at base ISO 100 to remove grains/noises in shadow areas.

You see DXOMark clearly shows 5Dc still beats 18mp 7D/60D no mention 15mp 50D in "resolution" (or fine details) when you frame the subject into the same FOV by moving closer or by using longer lens.

Simple misuse of the terms leading to a communication misunderstanding, If I understand your wording. Not always easy at times.

Many confused amount of pixels simply as "resolution" without considering the most important factor - crop factor. That's why I used 41mp Nokia 808 as an example. If you simply judge by amount of pixels, you'd have to suggest Nokia 808 beats all 5D and even Nikon D800

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Edited 3 months ago by qianp2k
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