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Re: I want the thread to continue DM.
In reply to Detail Man,
4 months ago
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Detail Man wrote:
Aleo Veuliah wrote:
Detail Man wrote:
Aleo Veuliah wrote:
Detail Man wrote:
... then perhaps it might be instructive to inquire via PM and find out exactly what it specifically is that bothers the complainants so much about a thread that is proving to be informative to the readers ?
The complains are about trolling and flaming. DM.
I would not say that some of the participants may win "popularity contests". Nevertheless, this thread is yielding some truly interesting results and valuable information to a number of readers.
What concerns me is that button-pushing by a few readers asserting such generalized opinions seems (to me) little different than a method of saying:
"I don't like this or that person, and I wish for their ability to publish certain posts to be censored, because the very existence of such posts on this forum at all does not meet with my own personal vision of what a forum comprised of many different individual participants should be."
The irony of the situation is that claims of trolling/flaming can themselves become a form of the same.
Such "popularity contests" seem no different than the (thankfully) long gone "thumbs down" system. What about what many, many other readers may think ? How about using the "Other" category (which, according to what you have been told, may soon include a text-box for explicit communication) to indicate:
"Please do not lock or delete this thread based upon the personal opinions of a few individuals !"
That is why I have made a warning here, for people behave well. I have no pleasure on locking or deleting threads as you know. At least like this one. But I can not respond to other moderators or admins opinions. I have ignored the complains for now.
I am not recommending ignoring any individuals personal feelings about this or that post or thread. I am, however, suggesting that it seems (to me) both wise and prudent to consider the potential size of the interested readership who is not complaining, and recognize that - as you have (in effect) said at times yourself - that one cannot "please everybody all the time" ...
While it may be true that some posters in threads may be a bit "acerbic" or "irritating", (I think) that there exists a substantive and important difference between "irritating" and "personally abusive".
Since any reader of these forums can simply freely choose to not read particular posts, or to not read particular threads (or even choose to ignore any particular poster that they like), ...
... it is my opinion that the term "abusive" should be reserved to apply to the complaints of posters who are themselves personally and specifically aggrieved by the published statements of another poster(s) in a specific individual post(s) - as opposed to individuals simply wishing to impose some personal vision of how they as a forum reader would happen to like a particular forum to look ...
Have myself at times been the target of abuse. There does exist a legitmate place for moderation.
(It seems to me) that the value of a moderating person is to exercise the kind of reasoned and reserved action (which you are here demonstrating) that responds to specifically noted cases of personal poster to poster verbal abuse when reported by a directly affected poster - if and when such a directly affected poster raises a specific issue regarding such incidents.
Whereas specific posts may be affected by such moderation n entactions, it seems (to me) that the locking or deletion of an entire thread should have a considerably higher threshold.
Such an approach (in my view) makes a lot more sense than assuming that a relatively small number of readers pushing buttons (for whatever reasons, and with whatever motivations) amounts to anything more meritorious than the (thankfully) long gone "thumbs down" system represented (which was but a bully pulpit for individuals seeking to deride the expressions of others without ever expressing their own thoughts with anything but a "binary" button-push).
Hope this will lead to some useful conclusion.
I think that it may well serve to educate/inform the readership who chooses to read the thread.
If the number of supportive indications outweighs negative indications, that seems significant. If thread survival is to be a "popularity contest", then it makes sense that readers should vote.
Please note that I am not suggesting that moderators might not perhaps affect some post(s).
Thanks for your progressive and commendable attitude of discussing general moderation procedures.
DM...
I agree with your words. I have decided to ignore the complains, because there are more people interested on this, and they are not behaving badly. Hope this will lead to a conclusion where no one can argue about the real truth on this sensor thing.
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