The D800, a case for the higher resolution

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plevyadophy
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Re: Who's Ecosystem?
In reply to moving_comfort, 3 months ago

moving_comfort wrote:

plevyadophy wrote:...

If you follow the comments of some folks, like Nikon guru Thom Hogan, essentially it boils down to two things:

1. The Eco System

Once you get this camera, PROVIDED YOU WISH TO MAXIMISE ITS POTENTIAL, you will have to

~ buy the best performing, and this often means the VERY expensive, lenses compatible with the camera AND at all the focal lengths you are likely to use, if you don't own them already. This creates a massive financial burden. And note that Nikon went to great lengths to publish a list of recommended lenses for this camera, which is something I don't think they did for any of their previous cams (correct me if I am wrong);

You don't need 'the most expensive' lenses to take advantage of the D800's resolution. All your existing lenses will perform better on the D800. Keep in mind that 'maximizing potential' is not required to see much better performance, and often the difference between better and 'maximized' is sometimes only visible at the pixel level.

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Hmm, I guess it will depend on the lenses and what you are shooting. I do recall the review on this site some time ago of the Canon 1Ds Mark II, where the reviewer showed the imperfections that show up on the 16Mp sensor. And both Canon and Nikon (and everyone else it seems) is now updating their lenses to cope with the demand of high pixel density sensors; so if you have a last generation lens (e.g. the previous Nikon 70-200 f2.8) you are going to want to update to the latest version of the lens (assuming you are wanting to maximise potential) but I guess in 5 years time when the currently new lens and similarly new lenses become commonplace then there will be no need to upgrade your lens as most lenses will be able to cope.

~ buy a new computer, or at least an upgrade to some components; this will be needed if your current one isn't up to the job of processing the large Nikon D800 files as fast as your current lower res files can be processed;

Try your current computer first. I do a lot of my processing on a 1st gen i3 with 4GB ram laptop - works perfectly fine for anything but huge batch operations. (for more intensive batch loads I use my larger workstation.)

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But isn't that a roundabout way of saying you need a computer upgrade (at least of your laptop)?

~ buy a new backup system to store the huge archive you will now have;

Depends on how much you want to archive, and how much storage capacity you have now. I don't archive every single NEF, only the ones I have processed or want to process, and have not needed to add any capacity yet.

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Hmm, but I think it is obvious I was talking of the situation where peeps shoot raw and keep them all. And even in your particular situation, use of a D800 will result in the need to purchase more backup media sooner than would have been the case with a lower res cam (so backup costs will have increased on a Mpixels per anum basis )

~ buy a new printer to print larger prints, or perhaps there will be an increase in printing costs if you usually send your images off to be printed;

Yep, if you want to print larger. No way around that, with any camera.

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~ consider whether your current tripod is up to the job

Only if you want to shoot tripod-necessary exposures, like shutter-constrained landscapes to print huge.

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Yep, pedantic, but partially agreed.

Leica guru Erwin Putts (spelling?), Lloyd Chambers, and I think Thom Hogan also, talk of the need to reassess the old 1/focal-length shutter speed rule with high res digital. There is talk of it now needing to be (1/focal-length) x 2. So what once may have been regarded as NON-tripod necessary exposures may well become so now, and lets not forget that Nikon doesn't have in-body image stabilization so a great many of their prime lenses will need tripod support if one wants to MAXIMISE the potential of D800's resolution.

2. Technical Demands on the Photographer

~ if like me, you hate using a tripod, well you ain't gonna be a happy chappy with this Nikon resolution monster, because any flaws in stabilizing your camera will be shown up for all the world to see which follows on from the above criterion of considering whether or not your tripod (if you have one) is up to the job of keeping a 36Mp camera steady enough

Silly assertion, IMO. You will probably be a very 'happy chappy' shooter even if you don't own a tripod, and never shoot in tripod situations. Handheld brings demonstrably better results with the D800 up to the point where shutter speed is very constrained - if you do most of your shoting at less than 1/FL shutter speeds, you may want to use VR lenses. Otherwise, sit back and reap the benefits.

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I will go along with that, notwithstanding my talk of "MAXIMISING" image quality.

~ So now that you have got a tripod, you are now going to have to invoke all the other techniques to ensure max image quality e.g. mirror lock-up, lowest ISO etc

Only for those shooters shooting low shutter-speed landscapes, etc. This 'you need a tripod and mirror lock-up' meme is really silly for 90% of shooters.

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Hmm, possibly but I think those who advise against every Tom Dick and Harriet rushing out to buy a D800 are really saying that buying such a cam is overkill for what they would normally shoot and publish and really one ought to be using the D800 for landscapes and such-like. It really is a medium format cam in all but name.

~ If you were a JPEG shooter before, you will probably have to become a raw shooter (handling massive files) unless the D800 has a Canon-like Reduced Raw option.

Probably good advice.

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~ If you like to "spray and pray" you won't be able to do that with the D800 because it's frame rate ain't exactly fast at it's optimum quality settings.

If you need faster than 4fps, and you're not shooting some specialty thing like pro sports, IMO you probably depend on spray 'n pray too much.

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Agreed. You would be amazed at how many peeps rely on spray and pray. By the way, (I am too lazy to go check ) what is the fastest framerate for the D800 when shooting in 14bit raw mode?

The result of all this

is that if one is currently using X camera hand held and printing on W x H paper and using AB computer and is happy with the results they are obtaining, the Nikon D800, for the sake of buying the latest and the greatest, is going to cause a lot of misery and will be under-performing in one's hands.

Bad advice, for the most part, verging on FUD. Don't fear the megapixels - they are your friend!

Hmm, I agree to an extent, but like my gramdma would say "too much of one thing is good for nothing" and 36Mp is a SEEEERIOUS amount of pixels so much so that I do agree with Thom Hogan to an extent, in that one has to consider the whole package (lens selection (even Nikon think so, hence their recommended lens list), workflow, shooting technique, overall costs) before jumping in. Coming away from photography for a minute, it's not much different to buying a high performance car; yeah you can get away with the non-specialist tyres but just be aware of the issues surrounding that choice and the other issues that come as baggage with a high performance machine.

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