Am I crazy? Considering OM-D over K-5II...

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Re: Am I crazy? Considering OM-D over K-5II...
In reply to Jolly Oly, 3 months ago

Jolly Oly wrote:

viking79 wrote:

Jolly Oly wrote:

wildkat2 wrote:

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Actually, it is the other way around. The gap between m43 and APS-C is totally insignificant, in every possible way.

Sorry but I dont see it that way. Combine the high ISO performance with DOF disadvantage and M43 is not even close to APSC. The OM-D is the absolute best by far and while it might compare favorably to a Canon its not even in the same zip code as a Pentax/Nikon/Sony (read Sony sensor). Do a dxo Comparison of OM-D, K-5II and Canon 7D.

Compare the DPR test charts and again, no contest.

High ISO and DOF advantage of APS-C in comparison to m43 is minimal, and anyone not satisfied with m43 in that regard would go full frame, not APS-C.

No, there is always 2/3 stop between them in terms of sensor size and image quality (given equivalent sensor technology, and OM-D and K-5 are similar). This difference is never going to change. And it isn't insignificant, but it isn't world changing either. By your argument, why would you ever buy 4/3" when you could buy 1", why 1" when you can buy 2/3", why 2/3" when 1/1.7" does just fine, etc. You see you get stuck in a trap saying what you are saying. My personal thought is APS-C is the best balance of size and cost, but I think the trend will be that as you go up from 4/3" you will see fewer and fewer people at each sensor size.

For me, I argue there is no reason to go to full frame at this point as it doesn't provide enough improvement for me to care about. I have shot maybe 20 thousand shots with full frame cameras.

You are saying that 2/3 stop advantage isn't insignificant, but more than 1 stop (apsc to ff) is no enough improvement.. Now you get stuck in a trap saying what you are saying.

Sorry, you are interpreting what I am saying in a way I did not intend. I am saying 2/3 stop is noticeable, so is 1 1/3 stop, but APS-C is in the middle in a nice spot. I.e. I wouldn't notice a huge difference going either way, but going from 4/3" to full frame is pretty big (2 stops), as is going from APS-C to 1" or 2/3" (also 2 stops). I notice the difference shooting with my D700 (sold this) vs D7000 but the APS-C is adequate most of the time for what I shoot (weddings, etc) so am fine with the D7000. If I shot weddings all the time I would get the full frame, but shooting a couple a year isn't worth owning the full frame for. With 4/3" if APS-C is already stretching what I would do, I would hesitate to go even smaller. What would work is if I bought some f/1.8 primes, then this would make up the difference and some with the f/2.8 zooms I am currently using on APS-C. The issue is now bounce flash and the body is too small for said flash Again, I am stretching the APS-C more than I should, most would use full frame for shooting weddings, so 4/3" is even more of a stretch.

But in general I understand what you're saying and I agree with you.

The Q is something you can put in a pocket - maybe not a jeans pocket but certainly a jacket pocket. If I am giving away IQ for size, I want to get my moneys worth in the size department. Some of the Panasonic cameras give you that small size but the sensor is MUCH worse.

You are right, The Q is in totally different league there.

The Q does better than you might think, especially with good lenses. It is plenty good enough for most people. I don't mind the grain up to ISO 3200 for personal shots, it looks pretty film like (random).

Again, Q is plenty good enough for most people, but m43 isn't. You don't mind the grain up to ISO 3200 wit Q, but m43- far better in that regard than Q, isn't good enough.

I never said 4/3" wasn't good enough. It is good enough, but APS-C is more flexible by 2/3 stops. Again, 1/3 stop is typically considered noticeable. Do you need better or not? Everyone has a point where they will settle. The issue with Q is that it requires ultra expensive lenses (that are also quite large) to make the most of its sensor. Its resolution demands are huge. So with smaller sensors you actually need more expensive lenses to make the most of the sensor.  However, most people buying the Q don't care so much about pixel level sharpness.  Image level it is fine.

Then, with suggestion from Ricardo, I went for an OMD and what I got is a fantastic weather sealed build as a tank body with modern Sony sensor and state of the art ibis, super fast and deadly accurate CD AF and all of that in a perfectly sized camera (as before).

Bang for the bucks had nothing to do with it

Exactly, the OM-D is a very nice package. I honestly wouldn't buy an SLR for general use, as I much prefer having my shots in focus. I can't believe how much trouble I was fussing with to get in focus shots (doesn't matter if it is Nikon, Pentax, or whatever). However, I do miss a lot of shots with mirrorless as the camera was too slow to focus or just won't focus

I was split between 3 cameras, Olympus OM-D, Samsung NX20, and Fuji XP1. I ended up with the NX20 because I got good deals on some lenses, and I really like the lenses they have. The OM-D had me on the fence because of I did not like my EP1 I owned very much. At the time I started buying Samsung lenses the OM-D wasn't out yet so if I had seen reviews for it first, I might have put it back in the running. The Fuji probably has the best high ISO of the 3, but probably the worst for AF. The Samsung seems pretty good balance, it has a few quirks, but decent overall. Worst thing about the Samsung is it doesn't hold its value at all. Neither did the Fuji though, which is why I have one of those too

I have too many cameras though, and am thinning them out.  The Fuji will probably go because it is too quirky for my tastes.  Pentax Q, Samsung NX20, and D7000 are probably where I will settle.  If the K-5II had been out instead of original K-5, I would have that instead of the D7000.

Eric

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